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PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?


also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!

Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?


also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!

Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
The Paddle Palace Club (which is owned by, and adjacent to, the main paddlepalace.com offices) had a tournament last Saturday using the new Nexcel orange balls.  I had to put out at the last minute due to illness, but I spent last week practicing with the orange nexcel.  It was not a pleasant experience.  That lack of spin is like going back to the first generation of plastic balls.  Might as well be playing with bowling balls.
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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

PDOTEC, where are you getting round DHS D40+'s that lack the uneven weight spots?


also, the ORANGE NITTAKU LESS SPIN BALL IS FINALLY HERE!

Cheaper than Premiums and Orange with less spin!
The Paddle Palace Club (which is owned by, and adjacent to, the main paddlepalace.com offices) had a tournament last Saturday using the new Nexcel orange balls.  I had to put out at the last minute due to illness, but I spent last week practicing with the orange nexcel.  It was not a pleasant experience.  That lack of spin is like going back to the first generation of plastic balls.  Might as well be playing with bowling balls.

So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.

(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random) 


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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.

(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random) 
I know you're just joking, but I think the plastic balls favor the Chinese style of play.  With less spin, there is greater emphasis on just fast play with power.  With more spin you can play with more finesse and use clever play to compensate for the other player's speed or athleticism.  Of course, you could argue that the Chinese adjust so well that it doesn't matter what kind of ball you use.  Even random balls.Wink
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I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.

I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe



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Originally posted by benfb benfb wrote:

Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

So as long as the ITTF approves balls that reduce the Chinese advantages of training there will be more upsets, and TT will become a better and more popular sport for gambling.

(e.g. the more luck involved, the less advantage the Chinese have; you can't train against random) 
I know you're just joking, but I think the plastic balls favor the Chinese style of play.  With less spin, there is greater emphasis on just fast play with power.  With more spin you can play with more finesse and use clever play to compensate for the other player's speed or athleticism.  Of course, you could argue that the Chinese adjust so well that it doesn't matter what kind of ball you use.  Even random balls.Wink

If you look at how the game has changed (comparing World Cup finals from 2010 to 2018) you'll notice that the Chinese power forhand is less dominant, and that modern players use a quick attack backhand earlier. 

Also, the Chinese, although still dominant, seem lose more big events more often now than during the last few years of celluloid, when they their strength and power appeared untouchable.


Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.

I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe


Where did you get them from? Return the remaining portion of the shipment and ask the supplier to replace. 

If you want to see how DHS screwed those balls up, put one up to your computer monitor, with a white background screen (this page is fine). Rotate the ball and look for dark spots (these are thickness increases where the light won't pass) and you'll see why the balls have wobble, even though they are round.


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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:

If you look at how the game has changed (comparing World Cup finals from 2010 to 2018) you'll notice that the dominant Chinese power forhand is less dominant, and that modern players use a quickj attack backhand. 

Also, the Chinese, although still dominant, lose more big events more often than during the last few years of celluloid, when they were untouchable.
Chinese domination always fluctuates some, depending upon who they have playing.  I think they have a better set of players the last few years compared to 2010.

The fact that the forehand is less dominant is probably due to the plastic ball and the newer quick hitting styles (like Harimoto).  That doesn't mean it hasn't helped the Chinese.  Where the Chinese excel is in two areas: first, general fitness.  Second, they are highly trained in their fundamental skills, such as quality of loop.  The plastic ball encourages more athleticism and more emphasis on fundamental skills, so this benefits them.  The celluloid allowed for greater creativity and finesse, which is generally where the Europeans excel (greater variety of styles, for example).
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

I also bought a few packs of orange D40+ and I'm quite disappointed with their QC. I can't explain with these ball are ITTF aprroved. They look rounder than seamless, but the way they fly at gameplay it's weird with wobling. There's also a brake effect on some of them.

I don't know why but these new batch of DHS aren't no longer the same as previous ones. Maybe it's the colour... IDK but 30/40% are utter gargabe


   THE BALL MOST FAVORED WITH CHOPPERS.
The orange ball is a perfect sphere. I do not see any ball wobbling upon the finger checkouts, when spinning the ball on the table with fingers.
Yes, the ball may go wobbling in air at some strokes, it is a specific aerodynamic effect and choppers do like it so much.
Choppers would like those orange best of all.

Be happy

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