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achoomai
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Thanks a lot fatt for comprehensive review.
We are now making more new blades with improvement on design , fabrication and different characteristics. Will keep your guys post. Edited by achoomai - 01/21/2019 at 6:53pm |
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Thanks a lot for input. Some idea will be used for my next generation blades.
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Review of AOS--Tigers ZLC blade.
The AOS Tigers ZLC blade I received from achoomai weighed in at ~88 g, and had the fishscale pattern on the wood as has been mentioned before. The handle issue has been covered in previous reviews but to my mind, the handle was very comfortable. The lens on one side protruded just slightly above being flush but it didn’t bother me at all. I suppose the handle could be extended a few mm and this might solve some folks’ issues with it--I imagine it might tilt towards head heavy with two max inverted rubbers on it at present, though head heaviness has its advocates as well--but I didn’t find this a problem at all. A 1.9 mm rubber for the BH, for example, would solve this surely. Overall, I much prefer this FL handle to the FL handle of the Innerforce ALC Tamca I use now and for which I need grip tape. I tested the blade using a Donic Bluefire M1 Turbo on the FH and Tibhar Grass Dtecs OX on the BH. General performance FH: The AOS performs wonderfully in the short game. It has several gears and is very controlled over the table when serving, dropping the ball short or flipping. In fact, I loved it for flipping, a shot I rarely win points with using my slower, dwellier Innerforce. With this blade, the stiffness of the blade and the crisp outer ply (whatever it is...koto, I’d imagine) turned many of my flips into flip kills, really surprising me. As a few of the previous reviewers have mentioned, the AOS ZLC Tigers is a low throw blade and I used the M1 Turbo--a low throw rubber--but looping with the FH was great. My loops were low and fast. Loop driving, rather than pure, spinny looping, is the way to go with this blade. It took some adjustment to get the loops to land from up close, but once I’d adjusted, I really enjoyed knowing the ball would go exactly where I wanted it to and with serious zip and spin. The blade is too fast and somewhat too crisp for me to reliably brush loop with it but if you open against backspin with pace, the AOS is a monster. Really snappy and quick, the ZLC kicking in when you apply the pace. Smashing and flat hitting, needless to say, were a dream. General performance BH: This is trickier to assess as I use OX pips on my BH and though I have always used fairly pacy blades--balsa carbon, walnut outers, currently the ALC Tamca Innerforce--this blade was slightly too fast for me to use safely with OX pips, particularly the DTecs, which is very fast in and of itself. (If I’d had any, I’d have tried it with a slower LP and this would probably take care of things.) It does have a lovely, linear low throw angle for pips blocking, however, so whenever I did catch a block properly, the ball went fizzing back loaded with backspin resulting in a number of winners. No doubt, with more practice I could get used to the speed of it. Manika Batra, for example, uses the Timo Boll ZLC with DTecs OX on the BH… So in several lifetimes, when I’m fit to tie her shoelaces I might take this up again… No, seriously, this blade might better suit a short pips, offensive blocker better better than a LP blocker such as myself. Overall impression: For a RRP of $50, this is a brilliant starter ZLC blade. Comfortable in the hand, crisp, fast and reliably consistent. Too fast perhaps for OX pips but a great find for aggressive close to mid-distance blockers, hitters and loop-drivers. Edited by kevo - 07/23/2018 at 1:30pm |
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MCollins
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I got a pair of 84g blades from Achoomai. To my pleasant surprise, one of the blades
had a nice fishscale pattern on the outer ply.
There were a couple of minor visible defects on one of the blades, with
the shape of one of the wings not being completely uniform/smooth and the lens
in the handle not being perfectly flush, but nothing that would bother me
personally. I found both blades played remarkably
similar, which is a testament to the craftsman.
I liked the speed of the blade. It’s quite comfortable to play in the short
game, having a nice slow gear. Also, the
carbon doesn’t kick in too early, so there are no unexpected surprises
there. When you kick it up a notch,
there’s no lack of power. I’d say the
blades I tried were on the lower end of off, but my blades were both 84g (by
request), so heavier blades will have more power of course. I found the blade to be stiff with low
throw. I tried the blade with JP03 and Vega Europe, two
rubbers I tend to like on any blade. The
JP03 was horrible. It didn’t jive with
the blade at all. The Vega Europe felt
okay on backhand, but it was hard to get much spin. I think this blade is much better with
slightly harder rubbers. Next I tried
Hexer, and despite the low throw of the rubber and the low throw of the blade,
this combination seemed to work very well if you don’t mind doing a bit more of
an upward stroke. I was also able to try
a sheet of Tenergy 05 on the blade and, although I’m not a fan of this rubber,
I think many people would like this. This blade doesn’t offer the easy spin of more
flexy blades, and I found it difficult to loop close to the table, but when you
step back a few feet the blade was quite pleasing to loop with. You can really get some spin out of it on
harder strokes. You want a good snap on
contact to get the most out of this blade.
Also, there’s no wanting for power, but it was very easy to land the
shots on the other side of the table.
Another plus for this blade is hitting.
I guess that’s to be expected as the blade is a bit on the stiff
side. Hitting through spin is a
breeze. Now on to the handle. As many have mentioned, the handle is
certainly different than most other blades.
Handles are personal preference, so I can’t say it’s good or bad, only
that I didn’t find it comfortable. The
wings come down further into the handle than I would like and I constantly
wanted to slide my hand up a bit. Overall, I was pleased with the blade and think it’s
certainly worth trying. I think those
who like to play a couple steps back from the table would like it more than players
who play close to the table. Also, I
think this blade is a lot more beginner-friendly than many other ZLC
blades. My biggest suggestion would be
to alter the handle design. As for the
price, for the proposed selling price of $50 I think it’s fair to say that this
is an extremely good bargain and people should probably jump on it before
Achoomai comes to his senses J |
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achoomai
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The ALC maybe more convenience for the person who do not like the stiff blade.
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lgxb
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I played it once. Since I am a penhold player, the neck length does not bother me. But the blade feels stiff, no good for loop. Maybe it needs time to break in. I will give it more try and report back later.
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kevo
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Me too, Fatt! Just arrived back from holidays in France to find my Achoomai ZLC blade waiting for me as well.
For the record, as has been already mentioned, the build quality is great. And...unlike others, I think it feels great in the hand. I'll be testing it with Blufire M1 Turbo on the FH, and Grass DTecs LPs on the BH. I'll give it a knock for a week or so and get back with a review soon. Thanks Achoomai!
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icc0191
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with 3mm shaved off, if you sand down the neck, it becomes perfect blade.
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achoomai
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Thanks a lot. Seem like handle design is the first one I should improve.
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I pasted hurricane 3 and palio ak47 blue.
When there was no rubber, I didnt find the handle to be out of place. But when the rubber is there and I actually try to hit with it,that is when I realized Magic M is totally right. The wings is very deep into the handle. The taper of the handle, where I usually place my thumb, is too high up. I usually place the joint of my thumb on that taper, and on this blade, I cannot do the same. Tried hitting some times with the paddle, but cant tell for sure how the feel is, since I cant hold the paddle properly. |
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It seems like most of the people who tested the blade has a same issue with the handle. You should reshape the handle part like the Butterfly and you will have lot more happy custmers.
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Magic_M
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I already tested a new rubber-combination on the zlc:
forehand = Tibhar Evolution MX-S 2,1-2,2 and backhand = Victas VS>401 in 1,5 mm While the Victas is a bit too hard and direct on this blade, MX-S fits very well. If I would hold the blade, my next test would be with MX-S both sides (bh = 1,7-1,8 mm), but due to the handle shape I will re-sell my blade now. If anyone is interested in a test: please contact me with pm. I payed 35€ for it (with express) and will sell it for the same price (I will pay for shipping).
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Wouldn't it be better, to remove the handle-cups and re-glue them 3 mm deeper?. With this method, the neck would be shorter and the handle would feel longer. But of course you would have to use wood-pieces or wood-filler to fill the place between the handle-cups at the bottom of the handle. But maybe you are right. With your method you don't need any wood-filler. You only need to sand the neck. It`s worth, to think about this method.
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I shaved 3mm of the handle at the top of the handle. It was easy to do with a razer blade. After I made the handle 3mm short, the rubbers that I took off from other Butterfly blades fits perfectly. I didn't want to ruin my rubbers to test on this blade. I'll try on coming Tuesday.
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doushikunlun
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Received my blade today. Comes in a bat case! But I am curious of how the box will look like. Identical lens on both sides, and logo at the end of the blade. No sharp edges, and wings are very slightly sanded, which is nice.
Mine also has fish scale. No decal on the blade. Not sure what the model is. Seems like 7 layers, with the composite layer just under a thin top layer. Handle does not give me any problem, but I havent played with it. Wont be able to hit with these until I come back from vacation in a couple weeks. |
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I received my blade today...first impressions are very good. No real sharp edges, but I do agree with Magic M on the shortness of the handle. I have large hands so the handle may be fine for others. Since there are no glaring issues I will nit pick and say the two lenses (on both sides of the handle) are not completely flush into the handle. Not a big deal but I can definitely grab both with a fingernail.
As for the value this looks like a great deal (by feel and appearance). At the $50 price point there is a lot of bang for your buck. I will report back after I get to play with it some. Edited by JoolaDancer - 06/29/2018 at 5:42pm |
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Magic_M
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Its time to post a first review now. But at first another optical impression:
That`s right. I measured that the handle is 10,4 mm long. This seems to be the reason for the "deep back", which I mentioned in my first post.
I also measured the width at the bottom of the rubber (directly over the handle) and measured a width of 10,5 mm while most blades have a width of 8,5 - 9,0 cm there. If the handle would be placed these 0,3 - 0,4 mm deeper, the width at this part would be more or less "normal" and the neck would not be as deep (which would be better for the feeling in my hand). My suggestion: place the handle 0,3 - 0,4 mm deeper, reduce the width at the end of the handle and make the hight of the handle a bit bigger and all (my) problems would be gone. I will start with the positive impressions: The feeling of the blade is crispy. You can feel the ball very good. This results in a high control, especially in the passive game. Looping is easy, especially if you loop aggressively from mid distance. On the other side the blade is faster than I thought - faster than Zhang Jike ZLC in my eyes (but this test is long ago and I am not absolutely sure about this point) and the arc is relatively low (up to mid low). It was not easy for me to adjust the right length of my balls. I played with Nittaku Fastarc G1 on forehand and Donic Acuda Blue P1 on backhand. This combination (especially the backhand) was too fast. Therefore I will test it with Nittaku Hurricane Pro 3 Turbo on forehand and Fastarc G1 on backhand next monday.
This question is easy to answer: the price-performance-ratio is definitely top. Personally I would prefer a little bit higher arc and less speed, but this is only a question of finding the right rubbers for the blade. For 50 USD this blade is a "must have" for every player who likes the feeling of zlc-blades. However my next tests will end, I will re-sell the blade, because the handle is nearly unplayable for me: too wide at the end, too thin in the middle, too flat in general and with a neck which is much too deep for my hands. But this has nothing to do with the playing skills and these skills are REALLY good. |
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Mine has fish scale, too. Not as prominent as the one pictured above, but it's quite nice to see.
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Received mine today. It looks amazing. Smooth finishes, fish scale, and nice looking lenses the one at the bottom of the handle is metal. Will be testing it with my usual rubbers soon, but for now, I will say that at the eventual $50 price point this blade is definitely worth it.
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It comes from the angle the wood was cut. A lot of people like the feel of blades that have fish scale but it is one of those things you can't quantify and it could be placebo effect derived from legends. FWIW my favorite blade is a fish scale. Is the fish scale the reason why? Maybe. Maybe not.
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Question:
What is the functional idea behind fish-scale, if any? My favorite blade, the DHS301, also has fish-scale koto outer ply |
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Yes, commercial lot will be put on both my EBay and Amazon shop. Edited by achoomai - 06/29/2018 at 10:21am |
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@Achoomai
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I got the blade yesterday.Its design and quality looks very nice, not too surprise as it was made by AIR Original.I have few blade from AO many moons ago.Today I glued both sides with T05 FX and spent abt 30m to test it, overall is satisfied: well-balance,fast and easy to play Topspin but less spin (maybe using old rubbers)compared with my Viscaria, for mid range it generates alot of power than my Viscaria ,for close table and short game- ball'trajectory goes a litle high and hard to make shorter.Personally this blade is flex than Timo Boll ZLC, ZJk Super ZLC,I personally love this character I will change rubber and have a proper review in next couple days. My blade is 92gram with fish scales.
@Achoomai:Thank you for your gift- Bat case The one i just got from Achoomai: Air Originals blades Edited by magicback - 06/29/2018 at 2:09am |
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Try to use power edge tape to make head heavier if you like. But try not to cut handle. |
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I got my blade yesterday. Overall quality is pretty good. I was about to glue my rubber today and noticed that the handle piece is about 3mm longer that the Viscaria blade which will make the rubber 3mm short. Was this done this way to put the weight to the front of the blade to make it faster? I love the balance of my Viscaria. I'll try to test it this way and if I don't like the balance, I might cut the handle part by the face 3mm and make it same as Viscaria.
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Mine arrived this afternoon. Looks great and I like the handle,very comfortable in hand. 86 grs is perfect for me. Will test it next week.
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achoomai
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Yes, put all review here is perfect.
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Magic_M
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Of course you can post your reviews here. |
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As always, Magic_M gives a thorough reading of the blade so far, with great pics. Looking forward to his review of the blade's performance. Full disclosure: I'm also waiting for my blade to arrive and I'll test it when I'm back from holidays. Interestingly enough, though the handle quality of the Nexy Arche was great--as always with Nexy--I found it too...small or something and so I'm looking forward to the slightly wider FL of achoomai's blade. We'll see... Well done, Manfred!
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