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    Posted: 07/04/2018 at 1:18am
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Women's Singles

Lily Zhang WR 56 loses in round of 16, not sure it was an upset since Juan Liu is higher Usatt rated.
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:

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Lily Zhang WR 56 loses in round of 16, not sure it was an upset since Juan Liu is higher Usatt rated.

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Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? Here is a short clip of her and Taylor Wang training at our club from 2 years ago. I have had back issues for 2 months now, hope to get back to playing soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRp4Mqqrfw&t=33s




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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? 

The match was actually streamed yesterday - here it is (starting at 7h16):

Good commentary by Matt Hetherington. He explains that this is the first time that US Nationals uses ITTF rankings first before taking into account USATT ratings, which led to this round of 16 clash between the 2 highest rated players. That kind of seeding makes sense in US Open (because of all the foreign players without USATT rating) but not at Nationals.

Let's see whether Liu Juan can go all the way or whether the others can handle her style better.

Edit: well, she just destroyed Amy Wang 7 2 8 3.


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Semifinals have started.

Liu Juan vs Crystal Wang
Wu Yue vs Angela Guan

Kanak Jha vs Sharon Alguetti
Tom Feng vs Gao Yan Jun
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Angela Guan defeated Yue Wu

The match went to expedite due to Angela's defense. The plastic ball hasn't hurt the defender's game in the USA.
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Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Angela Guan defeated Yue Wu

The match went to expedite due to Angela's defense. The plastic ball hasn't hurt the defender's game in the USA.

The match went to expedite due to Jennifer's pushing... Angela is amazingly consistent, but I fear that the final will be one-sided. There'll be a new women's champ in any case!
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I expect Juan Liu to warm up with Jian Li in preparation for Angela Guan.
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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

I expect Juan Liu to warm up with Jian Li in preparation for Angela Guan.



What is your prediction ? I don't think Jian Li is in Vegas.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? 

The match was actually streamed yesterday - here it is (starting at 7h16):

Good commentary by Matt Hetherington. He explains that this is the first time that US Nationals uses ITTF rankings first before taking into account USATT ratings, which led to this round of 16 clash between the 2 highest rated players. That kind of seeding makes sense in US Open (because of all the foreign players without USATT rating) but not at Nationals.

Let's see whether Liu Juan can go all the way or whether the others can handle her style better.

Edit: well, she just destroyed Amy Wang 7 2 8 3.

Thank You for the link. Much appreciated. Go Liu Juan!!!
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Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? Here is a short clip of her and Taylor Wang training at our club from 2 years ago. I have had back issues for 2 months now, hope to get back to playing soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRp4Mqqrfw&t=33s




 

Ive been at NYISC for past month or so... she is a treat to watch, really amazing penhold action.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? Here is a short clip of her and Taylor Wang training at our club from 2 years ago. I have had back issues for 2 months now, hope to get back to playing soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRp4Mqqrfw&t=33s




 

Ive been at NYISC for past month or so... she is a treat to watch, really amazing penhold action.

DreiZ, i hope we can meet up after i heal up from my injury. Are you a permanent member now?
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

Originally posted by 42andbackpains 42andbackpains wrote:

Liu Juan coaches and plays at NYISC here in New York city. Did anybody record the video where she beat Lily? Here is a short clip of her and Taylor Wang training at our club from 2 years ago. I have had back issues for 2 months now, hope to get back to playing soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnRp4Mqqrfw&t=33s


 

Ive been at NYISC for past month or so... she is a treat to watch, really amazing penhold action.

Liu Juan 9 years ago - Baltimore Teams (with East China University of Science and Technology):



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Good lord, that's like half of Eugene........

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Anyone have an explanation for Adar Alguetti's incredibly cringey cho'ing display at the end of the U21 QF match?


Can't see anything in the match that prompted that but don't have the time to watch it fully right now


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Congratulations National Champions Men's & Women's Singles

Juan Liu 4-0

Kanak Jha 4-2
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Feng yijun took more games off of Kanak than I expected, he played quite well despite Kanak being a world class player now
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Feng played at top of his game and for a while looked like a top 20 player.  He has a huge penholder weakness...he almost always loses the point when backed into his backhand far from the table.  His short game was also lacking as when Kanak kept it short, he won around 80% of the time....but Kanak's short game is his strength
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A question:  Under the current rules, is Liu Juan eligible for representing the U.S. in the World Championships, the ITTF World Tour, and/or the Olympics?


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

A question:  Under the current rules, is Liu Juan eligible for representing the U.S. in the World Championships, the ITTF World Tour, and/or the Olympics?


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World Championships and World Cups: no

World Tour and OLYMPICS: yes

The post-match interview was awkward (and not just because of Ryan Willard). I'm sure she can speak some English, right?
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Thank you!

Yes, I agree about the interview with Liu Juan.  If an interview is scheduled, then I'm sure much more preparation is required to make it of value and not an embarrassment.  Thoughtful questions need to be asked, reflecting the specific player and her circumstance, not boiler plate inquiries that are, essentially, unanswerable here in consideration of an athlete with overwhelming competency compared to the field.

In addition, the translator needs to have a strong professional background in this function so as to articulate fluent and robust English language expression.

If such standards cannot be met, then let's skip the interview.  

Also, one last point: This very-impressively-presentation-developing sport of table tennis needs to distinguish in its events between the entertainment dimension and the much more analytical element of the communications.  As an example: Matt Hetherington is not an entertainer, but a serious student of the sport that contributes much value.  Other participants clearly are striving to enhance the entertainment element, yet they function in roles that are more properly understood to be primarily of non-entertainment functionality.  The unfortunate consequence of this is a considerable debasing of an event that is regarded substantively by the many who participate in various ways.  A close observation of other professionally-presented sports show a high awareness of this distinction.

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Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

Regarding the Rated Events Round Robin Format - 6 player groups was advertised as a balance for allowing 7 instead of 9 events. Why was there a bait and switch? Several of my club mates might not have gone had we known only 4 players were going to be in the group, and some groups only had 3 due to signups. This plus the defaults in my groups, i barely got over 10 matches... not so happy about that..
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Anyone have an explanation for Adar Alguetti's incredibly cringey cho'ing display at the end of the U21 QF match?


Can't see anything in the match that prompted that but don't have the time to watch it fully right now


Ugh, that was really bad - cho'ing at the top of your lungs in three different directions (including your opponent) must have been prompted by something... I didn't see anything either, but hard to see how that could be justified.
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Originally posted by ttforlife ttforlife wrote:

Regarding the Rated Events Round Robin Format - 6 player groups was advertised as a balance for allowing 7 instead of 9 events. Why was there a bait and switch? Several of my club mates might not have gone had we known only 4 players were going to be in the group, and some groups only had 3 due to signups. This plus the defaults in my groups, i barely got over 10 matches... not so happy about that..


I was also disappointed the the change.  I heard a veteran player say that in his 29 years attending the Nationals, this years was the poorest planed. 
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Originally posted by opinari opinari wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

Anyone have an explanation for Adar Alguetti's incredibly cringey cho'ing display at the end of the U21 QF match?


Can't see anything in the match that prompted that but don't have the time to watch it fully right now


Ugh, that was really bad - cho'ing at the top of your lungs in three different directions (including your opponent) must have been prompted by something... I didn't see anything either, but hard to see how that could be justified.

Adar was presented with an award by Danny Seemiller between the Women's and Men's final, but I wasn't paying much attention. Perhaps it was an award for loudest cho?


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If I was there to cheer for Adar's opponent (or him) it would have been a game changer. His parent would be jaw dropped. No one out cheers me after I am knocked out of tourney and have only supporting the remaining team members to do. Nobody.

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