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ericd937
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Has anyone tried boosting Genesis II? I have a used sheet lying around, I might give it a go eventually.
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Sedis
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I've been using K1 Euro since mid November and it seems to be holding up quite well - maybe not quite as durable as Genesis II, which I think was the most durable tacky rubber I've ever used.
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PierreAd
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I really don't understand why Stiga wouldn't release a Genesis Hard. Maybe it'd get too close from classic Chinese rubbers? I'd definitely be interested in a harder version though. I've been using the G1 M for the past two years, I like it but I need a harder sponge. I'll be finishing the current season with my G1, but am kind of lost as to which rubber I'm going to use after this. So I'm really interested in the answers you'll get! Other than this, I can say that I've played a few weeks with a Nittaku H3 Neo in september/october. It was interesting. I still feel that a bit more dynamism would help me, H3 Neo is not an hybrid like the Genesis and requires much more physical engagement, which takes some time getting used to, I guess. Maybe I'll try the H3 Neo Pro Turbo Orange, it's a bit softer and more springy than the usual H3 Neo.
Interesting, I've heard of the Golden Tango but it's not very common here in France. The K1 Euro might be an interesting one, I'll be watching for reviews of this one. Do you know how they behave over time? The Genesis 1M was very very durable, same for H3 Neo.
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Sedis
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Joola Golden Tango PS or Tibhar K1 Euro would be worth trying. The 50 degree sponge is slightly harder and they generally feel slightly harder. They both play more like a hard Euro rubber but with a tacky top sheet, which I didn't think would work for me as well as Genesis II, but I was pleasantly surprised.
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AndiHL
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what do you think, are any alternatives on the market with the same characteristics but with slightly harder sponges?
I really loved my G2M when it was new, but now the sponge is softer than in the beginning. And I don't like this as much. I allready spoke to Stiga, but they don't plan to bring a G2H to the market...
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ericd937
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I think there is no reason to keep Genesis 1 around since Genesis II is so similar, but much better.
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wanchope
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If you check tt11, the g1 series are already in the clearance section. I guess that the older generation is just phasing away.
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PierreAd
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Hey Eric, thanks for your answer! Even if you've not played H3Neo, the comparison between both Genesis generations is already very interesting, and not that easy to find :) I'll be playing with my last sheet of Genesis 1 M again for a while, and see how it behaves after 1+ month playing with the H3 Neo. But your comment makes me think that after this last sheet of G1M, G2M might be interesting for me. By the way, does anyone here know if Genesis II will replace Genesis 1st gen, or if they will both keep on existing (like Omega 4/5/7 etc. for Xiom)? I noticed that both generations are still listed on Stiga website, but that's about all I know...
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ericd937
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Unfortunately, I've never played H3 Neo. However, I've played with Genesis 1 S/M, and also Genesis II M. Genesis II is much better overall than Genesis M. Very similar, but a little bit faster, a little bit tackier, and a little bit spinier. In my experience the top sheet looks old quickly, but it doesn't hurt the performance. In fact, I find that the the performance of Genesis II actually increased after 1 or 2 weeks. I've actually came back to this rubber after using Gewo Nexxus El Pro 48, which was a great rubber until it started coming off my racket. When I reglued it, the Gewo shrunk significantly which lead to decreased performance.
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PierreAd
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Hey guys, I'm searching the net for some feedback on Genesis II vs. Genesis 1... been playing with a Genesis M in FH for about 2 years, I've used a H3 Neo lately but not 100% convinced yet (there are advantages and drawbacks, I'm not sure if I play better or worse with it)... and it looks like that Genesis II might be an intermediate between Genesis 1 and H3. For those who know those rubber, am I right? It looks like Genesis II is much tackier than 1st gen (good grip but almost non tacky in my experience)... so I expect better short game, for instance.
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Sedis
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The tackiness doesn't seem to have dropped off very much, if at all. It was slightly less tacky than a typical DHS rubber to start with, but it doesn't seem to be getting less tacky very quickly.
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wanchope
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Thanks for the updates!
According to Stiga: Genesis II Spin is also sustainably developed to increase the durability and life expectancy of the rubber. What would you say about the tackiness after all this time? Does it still have the amount of spin?
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Conversely, I've been using Genesis II M for a month and have been impressed with how little wear the topsheet is showing - I wonder if this is down to variation in the rubbers or the conditions they are being used in? I have also noticed it doesn't feel quite as hard after it has broken in.
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ericd937
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I just wanted to give an update on the Genesis ii M. I've been playing it for about two weeks. The topsheet already looks quite old, I can already see a lot of wear in the spot where I normally hit the ball. The speed has also kicked up a bit after the break-in period. The overall feel isn't quite as hard a before, I guess the sponge has loosened up a little bit. I'm still enjoying the rubber.
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I think I have played 6 sessions now with Genesis II M. I'm winning more than I was with Tenergy. I'm not saying it's better. It is just different and it suits my skill level better I guess. If you're currently playing the first version of Genesis M, you should switch to this one. It's better in every aspect. Someone mentioned G2S being spin sensitive. I don't feel that at all. If you use an active stroke, it's very controllable.
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jk92
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Hard tacky rubbers are no go on RPB, the stroke needed to get the most out of the rubber just doesn't make sense on the backhand.
The genesis sponge is fast and dynamic enough for a more typical EuroJap backhand stroke, but with the right hitting angle and brushing, you get an extra little bit of tack to help with the spin. I normally play ESN rubber on the backhand, so the technique is different, but it's possible to get some aggressive shots out with the Genesis II s
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You are still using the soft version on BH? I'm a penholder myself, but I've never tried RPB with sticky rubbers. Always thought that'd be too hard or too slow. Maybe I was wrong.
Edited by wanchope - 08/24/2018 at 9:25am |
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Had another session with Genesis II s, really enjoying the safety of shots even on hard strokes. Kill shots often have a wicked low trajectory with good spin.
Spin sensitivity is a little more than usual, which is to be expected due to the tacky topsheet. Interesting to find that fast brush shots with thin contact have enough pace to pressure opponents, but engaging the sponge puts an extra blast on the ball. It's kinda tricky to find the right angle to use such that both kinds of shots can be available at hand, but I seem to favor the brush stroke, which while capable, isn't as strong as a semi brush, semi sponge engaged shot. I'll give it a go on another blade, I think I understand the playing properties of it to make it work, hoping for not a too big drop off in playing performance |
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Since it's tacky, I assume more brushing would do the work?
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I just finished up my 4th session playing with Genesis 2 M. I'm finally starting to figure out how to generate more spin and power with this rubber. Coming off Tenergy 05, it's taken some time for me to get zoned in with G2M. The contact required is much more similar to what you would use with a Chinese rubber. Much thicker contact and accelerate as the ball dwells on the bat. It was a combintion of that and figuring out exactly the correct bat angle for each stroke. I'm starting to like this rubber more day by day. 4-1 on the day by the way.
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I have a sheet of mantra I've yet to try, but I'm going to go hit with Genesis ii some more.
I think battle 2 provincial is a better substitute than boosted h3, maybe not in feel, but certainly in spin+speed performance. As for genesis, I'm going to keep trying on this blade before I move it to my other setup, the spin might be lessened by the lack of flex on the T2s. |
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Sounds like the Genesis 2 is a must try. The official description also claimed that this generation would be more durable.
Did you guys also try the mantras? How do they compare? |
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What are those substitutes? Needing to boost is the main reason why I don't want to move to h3. |
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tom
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for me boosted H3 is still the best. I use substitue sheets that don't need boosting on certains blades out of convenience.
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ericd937
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So far, I preferred the boosted H3 to this to be honest. The feel just reminds me of that a bit.
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If this is close to a boosted H3 only it doesn't require boosting, this is a great selling point…
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ericd937
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Hi Tom. I don't normally boost my rubbers either. The Hurricane Provincial boosted that I tried was on a friends paddle who just happens to use the same blade that I use. Therefor, I have a good idea as to what it feels like to play that rubber. I personally don't like fooling around with boosting. I just wondered if it would be beneficial with this rubber.
Also, I played it again tonight. Again, I had the same feeling. I beat some higher players who I normally lose to, but I had a hard time with the players around my level who have less power. I was over-hitting to generate the needed power and missing more than usual against those players.
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I didn't boost my Geneis M original - if you need to boost the 2 why don't you just use a variant of the H3?
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ericd937
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The most similar thing I can think of (that I've tried) is boosted Hurricane 3 provincial, although it's not exactly like that. I was actually wondering if it would be beneficial to boost this rubber? The tack is slightly or a bit less than Hurricane 3, but it does pick up a lot of dust so far. Whatever you do, don't wipe it with a normal towel or the towel fibers will be stuck all over your rubber. You'll need one of those micro fiber towels. That being said, it doesn't seem to pick up as much moisture as some other rubbers. Some ESN and also Tenergy rubbers are really hard to keep dry in humid conditions. Even after you wipe them with a dry towel, they still seem to have some condensation on them.
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