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    Posted: 09/06/2018 at 11:26am
Could someone please tell me the pros and cons of rozena? And a little comparison with t05 would be nice! I'm planning to get it on an innerforce alc blade both sides.

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C'mon try to use the search function. There's a bunch of info about that. But according to the reviews, It's a tamed version of 05FX with better control and less spin.
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I and a club mate both use Rozena. I use it on FH and BH play close to the table. I went from T05 to Rozena as it provided a softer spinny alternative to T05. I call it a softer T05 basically not as bouncy, great for looping B.S. flicks, and has plenty of power. My club mate is a 2000 level player and uses it on his F.H. calls it a "soft Spinny Rubber" and plays both close and mid distance. If you are using a Tenergy product it will feel familiar.

I have used it on all wood and composite blades both worked well.
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garbage of a rubber, just use vega pro from xiom instead if u want a cheaper more durable t05. When bty decide to put a pricetag of 499usd on a penhold ZJK penhold it's made clear BTY is here to milk. T05 have it's place but anything other t05 have better more durable alternatives. 

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Rozena is NOT a garbage rubber. I actually prefer it to Vega Pro. Rozena is also most similar to T80, not T05. 
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Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena

Out of curiosity, which ones? Rozena can be had for about 35 bucks these days. I can get it at the local shop in HCMC for about 32 since the dollar went up vs the vnd. 
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rozena is a good rubber for the current price however one problem I have with it is the weight. Its still as heavy as tenergy and that's not very much beginner friendly IMO.
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Uncut its 69g. Now my setup on a blade that is 158x151 with a weight of 90g is 186.
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I'm currently playing short pimple on one side. A little bit of extra weight on the rubber is actually alright for me as short pimples are typically quite light. 
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena

Out of curiosity, which ones? Rozena can be had for about 35 bucks these days. I can get it at the local shop in HCMC for about 32 since the dollar went up vs the vnd. 
Compared to Stiga Genesis S which do you think is better BH rubber? I switched from Genesis S to Rozena because the weight of Genesis bothered me a bit.
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I don't think I could play Genesis S on the backhand, its too slow. I prefer Rozena on either wing over Genesis S. 
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Me too. Genesis is more of a fh control rubber
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

Uncut its 69g. Now my setup on a blade that is 158x151 with a weight of 90g is 186.
 

sounds about right, t05 is also around 68-69g max uncut.
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A Chinese friend got me a sample of Rozena from BTY China and I was playing with it today on my BH as a replacement of old FXS.

IMO, it's not a Tenergy or a high top performance rubber but anyways, it's also great balanced rubber for that price that matches Evo FXS in Spin, Speed and control. It's around same speed as FXS, same spin or a bit less and similar mid to low-throw. Really pleasant to play with and not as demanding as Tenergy series, really recommended for players up 2400-Us rating.

At 190¥ there's nothing to match Rozena as a BH soft/control rubber. So if they don't raise it's price it'll be my BH right now.

Edited by jonyer1980 - 09/07/2018 at 6:54pm
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Table Tennis Daily Review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi31tPcpYWU

They do note that Rozena uses Tenergy High-tension rubber – “Energy Built-In Technology.”the same Tenergy Spring Sponge with a different degree. They do not recommend the rubber for beginners.
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Originally posted by lineup32 lineup32 wrote:

Table Tennis Daily Review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi31tPcpYWU

They do note that Rozena uses Tenergy High-tension rubber – “Energy Built-In Technology.”the same Tenergy Spring Sponge with a different degree. They do not recommend the rubber for beginners.
 

Sorry that was a poor choice of words on my part. I think rozena is good for intermediate to advanced players who find tenergy series too much whether it being spin or speed, however it would not be the best option for someone looking to shave some weight off their racket coming from any of tenergies.
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Will BTY reduce price of TG as next step?
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena


Out of curiosity, which ones? Rozena can be had for about 35 bucks these days. I can get it at the local shop in HCMC for about 32 since the dollar went up vs the vnd. 
there are rubbers like flexon that cost 31€ but in reality you'll get them for about 25€ all the time. One of my club members plays with them ( probably around 2300 ( has a German ranking of 1895)) and he likes them. He says that they have great longevity and do the job. I think in general we get so caught up in these bigger brands like butterfly or andro/ tibhar ( those 46€ rubbers) that we often don't acknowledge the alternatives. I was recently thinking about it and one thing I noticed is that I have this thought process, where don't really feel comfortable thinking of playing with one of the cheap 20-30€ alternatives cause I'm so caught up in the big brands. But I mean I don't need a tenergy. There are plenty of really good players that use cheaper rubbers and who am I needing to use a tenergy.
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^Thing is, 'in reality you get flexon for 25 euro.'

Well, comparing apples to apples, you can easily get a 'Tibhar' for 28-29 euros when on discount [regularly], or if you buy 3 get the 4th free [25% discount], at sites like TT11 or dandoy, so why bother with the Flexon?

If you are comparing regular price (38 euro vs 31), or regular discount price (25 vs 29). You don't compare the special price to the RRP of the other rubber! That's not fair.

There is a value in knowing your rubber is of great quality / popular with many different players [--> suits many different players/styles]. It means you have no excuse for when shit hits the fan. Maybe that's actually a negative trait in rubber! You need an excuse!

Regardless, I'd gladly pay the 5 euro premium or w/e, for my MX-P. 

Finally, popular rubbers you can try from others. If I want to try an ALC blade, or T05, there's plenty of people who use them. I've never seen a flexon, so its actually very expensive & risky to buy one. I get a preview of my MX-P or w/e, whereas this flexon, its 80-90% of the cost, but i'm going in blind.
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Is Rozena better then Bluefire? you can get Bluefire from TTNPP for $32 with free shipping
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My training partner switched from 05 to rozena on fh and is very happy with it. From blocking for her and doing drills the spin is just about the same as 05. The big difference is the ball goes shorter so she can play down the line or wide angles with a lot more safety.

If I were you I'd give it a try.
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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Rozena is better as a bh rubber. A lot of german rubbers at a lower price perform better than rozena


Out of curiosity, which ones? Rozena can be had for about 35 bucks these days. I can get it at the local shop in HCMC for about 32 since the dollar went up vs the vnd. 
there are rubbers like flexon that cost 31€ but in reality you'll get them for about 25€ all the time. One of my club members plays with them ( probably around 2300 ( has a German ranking of 1895)) and he likes them. He says that they have great longevity and do the job. I think in general we get so caught up in these bigger brands like butterfly or andro/ tibhar ( those 46€ rubbers) that we often don't acknowledge the alternatives. I was recently thinking about it and one thing I noticed is that I have this thought process, where don't really feel comfortable thinking of playing with one of the cheap 20-30€ alternatives cause I'm so caught up in the big brands. But I mean I don't need a tenergy. There are plenty of really good players that use cheaper rubbers and who am I needing to use a tenergy.

I agree with a lot of that. I'm willing to try all different types and brands of equipment. I'm currently playing with Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48 on my forehand. I've only played 3 sessions with it so far, but I'm really liking it. You're right about Tenergy, it is really way too expensive. Rozena is in the same ballpark price-wise as the other rubbers you mentioned. The spin is very good, slightly less than T05 and T80. But, as some of the other forum members have already mentioned, Rozena offers a lot of safety and excellent control. If I was playing inverted on backhand, I'd most likely be playing Rozena on that wing.  
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Originally posted by Basquests Basquests wrote:

^Thing is, 'in reality you get flexon for 25 euro.'

Well, comparing apples to apples, you can easily get a 'Tibhar' for 28-29 euros when on discount [regularly], or if you buy 3 get the 4th free [25% discount], at sites like TT11 or dandoy, so why bother with the Flexon?

If you are comparing regular price (38 euro vs 31), or regular discount price (25 vs 29). You don't compare the special price to the RRP of the other rubber! That's not fair.

There is a value in knowing your rubber is of great quality / popular with many different players [--> suits many different players/styles]. It means you have no excuse for when shit hits the fan. Maybe that's actually a negative trait in rubber! You need an excuse!

Regardless, I'd gladly pay the 5 euro premium or w/e, for my MX-P. 

Finally, popular rubbers you can try from others. If I want to try an ALC blade, or T05, there's plenty of people who use them. I've never seen a flexon, so its actually very expensive & risky to buy one. I get a preview of my MX-P or w/e, whereas this flexon, its 80-90% of the cost, but i'm going in blind.
but mxp and its brothers suck after a certain time once the booster wears out.
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Every inverted rubber eventually wears out and gets worse.
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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

Every inverted rubber eventually wears out and gets worse.
yeah but some last way longer than others. Of course you can get the same rubber potential, that you get from tenergy, from other rubbers like rasanter or mxp, but tenergy keeps its high playing characteristics way longer.
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I’ve found nittaku fastarc c1 to be very durable, light (43g cut to std butterfly head) and easy to play. Not so much catapult as rozena, more linear, more spin (although tbh I only played rozena for a couple of sessions).
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Rozena is still £43 (apparently with discount) in England.  I may get one to try, but it had better be special...
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Rozena is great at Chinese market retail price. I won't go for it for more than 36€ which is the current price of TOP ESN rubbers, discount included. Even old Bluefires are below 30€ is some places which is great.

Edited by jonyer1980 - 09/09/2018 at 5:11pm
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