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    Posted: 09/11/2018 at 7:46am
which one would you choose?

a 10 dollar 5 ply blade with tenergy 05 on both sides
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a butterfly zhang jike super zlc with palio ak47 or any other 10 dollar rubber on both sides?
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In my case for exaomple is 10dollar blade with Tenergy 05 or Jun Mizutani ZLC (because Zhang Jike super ZLC is super fast blade with very little control for my style of play and thats collector blade for me) with Palio AK47. In that case I choose Jun Mizutani ZLC with Palio because of dwell time, strenght of shots and precision. Also Tenergy 05 is best rubber I ever try but for that rubber you must train every day and be pro because only pros can get 100% of Tenergy 05 strenghts. Its very difficult rubber for service returns and blocking and reaction on opponent spin shots.
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10 dollar blade 10 dollar rubber
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You will always keep a good blade, the rubber has to be changed anyway. Get a good blade and get cheap Chinese rubbers.
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i would go for a gd blade( ie , a good quality blade that has the characteristics that i want), and its more costly to change blades compared to changing rubber so u can stick with expensive blade cheap rubber to adapt to the new high quality blade then when u stock up another sum of money u can just get ur t05 and get both high quality balde and rubber :)
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Cheap blade expensive rubber. If you use cheap rubbers you'll switch them more frequently thus damaging the blade more.
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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Cheap blade expensive rubber. If you use cheap rubbers you'll switch them more frequently thus damaging the blade more.


Rubbers cant damage blade if they are glued properly.
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Good all round blade and tenergy with speed glue.
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Why not a 60 dollar blade and two 30 dollar rubbers? Half the price of a ZLC and you can still get good rubber and a good blade. You could probably even find a second hand Zetro Quad(same same zlc) for 60 bucks. 
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I think the rubber is more important.
you can grab any premade blade, add two good rubbers and you have a great racket.
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Like some have said, you don't have to choose -- there's no way you can't have both for a reasonable price.
Yasaka Goiabao 5, a great blade, is just $44 (goes on sale for around $36) at tabletennis11.com and you can pick up reasonably price good rubber there as well on sale or doing "4-for-3". Shipping on said combo would be free as well.
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it's more of a hypothetical question.
not really looking for equipment advice.
thanks anyway.
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Cheap blade expensive rubber. If you use cheap rubbers you'll switch them more frequently thus damaging the blade more.


Rubbers cant damage blade if they are glued properly.
if your blade has at least some damage on the edges then it does damage the blade.
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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Cheap blade expensive rubber. If you use cheap rubbers you'll switch them more frequently thus damaging the blade more.


Rubbers cant damage blade if they are glued properly.
if your blade has at least some damage on the edges then it does damage the blade.


I play TT for about 15 years and I used minimum 10 blades before Mizutani ZLC and I changed plenty of rubbers but I have never damaged my blade during removing rubber from blade.
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Cheap blade expensive rubber. If you use cheap rubbers you'll switch them more frequently thus damaging the blade more.


Rubbers cant damage blade if they are glued properly.
if your blade has at least some damage on the edges then it does damage the blade.


I play TT for about 15 years and I used minimum 10 blades before Mizutani ZLC and I changed plenty of rubbers but I have never damaged my blade during removing rubber from blade.
cause you used 11 blades. If the veneers get damaged and have small splinters, then removing the rubbers will also peel of some of the wood splinters.
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I know what you mean because friend of mine has problem with Stiga Carbo 7.6wrb with splinters, but I use joola Protective Blade Sealant and Varnish and Butterfly has great quality outer plies so I dont have problems and I hope I wont have in future.
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I didn't seal my infinity years ago and the top ply completely ripped apart. Now I seal all my blades. Problem is that my viscaria has a lot of damage at the sides, so whenever I remove the rubber some of the wood also peels off. I always need to use wood glue to increase the lifespan of my viscaria.
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You can use pollyester filler instead of wood glue to incrrase the lifespan of your viscaria. Workers that work with wood and furniture told me that secret.
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

You can use pollyester filler instead of wood glue to incrrase the lifespan of your viscaria. Workers that work with wood and furniture told me that secret.
wood glue also works, but thanks for the advice. Is there even a certain range for a blade's lifespan? I mean with rubbers their certainly is, but with blades? I guess I've played about 3000 hours with my blade
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I dont know that but I know player that play with Perkusan blade for 30 years.
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Depends how often you play I guess.
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That player plays 4 times a week and he is very good, in USA ratings I think he is around 1800
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Rubber is more important.
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the rubber has a bigger impact but the blade is a better investment (a good blade will retain a good % of its cost)
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