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    Posted: 09/22/2018 at 10:50am
Top 10 Table Tennis Serve By Me (Player Rank B in Viet Nam)
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I have watched it. 
The problem of all your services is: your arm must go to the ball so you could throw the ball vertically.
If the ball goes to your arm, it is impossible to throw the ball +/- vertically and all your services are illegal.

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It's a thing in Vietnam that many people serve illegally and are super proud with that. I have had a time on the receiving end of those services and it does help to improve my receiving quite a bit.
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Originally posted by lamlangset lamlangset wrote:

Top 10 Table Tennis Serve By Me (Player Rank B in Viet Nam)
Just for fun!!!

Most of these serves are insanely illegal !!!  Only the tomahawk serves come even close to being thrown vertically.  Look at this single sequence and see that the ball is thrown further horizontally than vertically!  No attempt is made to throw the ball up but all the effort goes into throwing the ball backwards into the body.  Look how hidden the ball is at contact!

1.  The hand is already in motion.  Note how close to the centre line it starts.


2. The ball is at the TOP of its trajectory.  Note how close to the edge of the table it is.

3.  I had to extend the picture to the left to accommodate the point of contact (actually the bat has not yet hit the ball).  Note the ball is behind the player's right shoulder.  Note the serving arm has not been removed.

FWIW, I don't think there's any "fun!!!" in serving illegally, which is obviously what you do given you show us how you do this in match play.  Thumbs Down



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Originally posted by The soul of rock The soul of rock wrote:

It's a thing in Vietnam that many people serve illegally and are super proud with that. I have had a time on the receiving end of those services and it does help to improve my receiving quite a bit.


I'm Vietnamese, I can confirm it's true and very embarassing. My serves are legal and I'm often at a serious disadvantage when playing those guys in tournaments.

The serve rules are only applied in professional tournaments, sometimes loosely. In non-pro tournaments, the umpires often don't call illegal serves because there are too many people doing it and they will make a fuss everytime an umpire or the opponent calls their serve. Very ugly yet they are proud of it because they are often the winner due to the serve.


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Good variety of serves, quite informative. Although as others have pointed out, the legality of the serves would raise a fuss for many people. I would probably call you out on it if I were to play you, most especially not being able to see the point of contact.

The trajectory of one particular serve that Tassie52 pointed out above is quite ridiculous though. I'm looking at the tomahawk serve also and even then, you toss it towards you.

Overall, great serves. Although without the hiding of service and the non-vertical throw, they would probably render them mediocre with not much deception or spin (like my serves).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fatt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/23/2018 at 11:04pm
The very top featured still picture is talking a lot: I see a head, a shoulder and an arm in the way of a ball that is very close to contact. We need a volunteer to adapt the kids song "head, shoulders, knees and toes" to this, and maybe force players to sing and dance it when called in a tournament; when everything fails, we got to try something else right?

The denomination of serves seems too personal and loose: some serves get a special name while being way close to something else in the same sequence; although maybe I am not good enough to understand the subtle difference that makes 2 serves completely different in that clip; and only 10 are shown.

There's got to be a way to define a standard core model of serves that all coaches can agree on and from which we can push subtleties on some of them to make them extensions of standard ones. In a standard set of serves. I would expect something complete but not lengthy, it's got to remain simple and be a combination of parameters and easy to apprehend.

For the forehand pendulum serve only (leaving hook and tomahawk out) for example, I'd imagine those parameters as:

spin direction: right, left (e.g: regular or reverse) (2)
rotation: heavy top, top, dead, under, heavy under (5)
length: short, middle (2 bounces, the 2nd one being deep) one , long (3)
direction: left, middle (elbow), right (3)
speed: regular, fast (2)

so in the pendulum framework I see 180 serves however many overlap other serves or are not usable, like the gears in a 33 speeds bike. Even if we get rid of 80% of them as redundant or useless, we still get 36 left to use though; and that's just for the forehand pendulum.

I wanted to underline that rough approach because it helps breaking things in smaller pieces to better connect with the 3rd ball. It  can be further simplified I am sure and keep its value but I do not know where. The only thing downgradable IMO is the amount of rotation, from 5 possibilities to 3. The rest of the parameters needs to stay as is. Maybe for pure training the contact with the ball, the direction can be forgotten but that's a slippery slope and if not on our guards, soon enough we'll end up with only 2 predictable serves --> In a serve training session, it is good to go through all of them all the time.
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Everyone is harping on the hidden serves and horizontal ball tosses, but if everyone else is doing it, I don't see any dishonor in joining them. I too hide my serves if I think the opponent is hiding them blatantly. Just treat it as if you're playing a retro version of table tennis with hidden serves before all the ITTF rule changes
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Everyone is harping on the hidden serves and horizontal ball tosses, but if everyone else is doing it, I don't see any dishonor in joining them. I too hide my serves if I think the opponent is hiding them blatantly. Just treat it as if you're playing a retro version of table tennis with hidden serves before all the ITTF rule changes

The problem is.....TT is an homologated sport (like Walter Sobchak said in "the big Lebowski" about bowling) and there are rules. If you don't respect rules, then, why not beginning the point by a straight smash instead of a serve for instance. 
 Also it is better to penalize people who do irregular serves than advice people who serve regular doing irregular ones. The same in bike competition for instance : would you advice people to take doping product ?


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