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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I'm really curious to see how she will perform in Austria....
Also, usually, the Chinese who lost from a non Chinese player may not participate in the next tournament so..logically, Zhu Yuling, Liu Shiwen and Ding Ning should be withdrawn from the table...
Will they do that ? :))
No. They withdraw from the next tournament only if they are a seed player and they lose in the first round. Which didn't happen.
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.....Zhu Yuling, Liu Shiwen and Ding Ning should be withdrawn from the table...
Will they do that ? :))..

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Really want to see this Austrian open...something spicy is waiting :)) But Ito Mima will have to pay attention to the non Chinese players....
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Just watched the highlight of Mima Ito vs. Zhu Yuling on Youtube.  Zhu Yuling did exactly what I said she should NOT do.  She was almost never the aggressor.  She played her counter blocking style which definitely will not work against Mima Ito.  Mima Ito does not give you time to probe and probe for an attacking point.  You need to take the initiative early and often.  This girl is on fire!!!!! 


Zyl abusedd the crosscourt rallies she must have slow looped more looking down the line shots. Major coach li sun was coaching zyl like he was getting info about ito.

I think cnt must focus more on training short pips players To harden their top players. Maybe ito is training with harimoto. I remember a female short pip player very fast like ito

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An old fashion ass whipping! ZYL just didn't anticipate that...
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.
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If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

Keep those foolish ideas to yourself, don't make people laugh at you.
Jackwong23 is not wrong; he is just not as right as you LOL. For a lot of top CNTs players (ML ...), I am 100% sure they save a lot of tactics and strategies for big tournaments. It is because they need to beat their own teammates to win; they will not use them in the cttsl. However, this strategy does not apply to JNT players LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 


Edited by Egghead - 11/04/2018 at 11:29am
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.

===========================

If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

Keep those foolish ideas to yourself, don't make people laugh at you.


Jackwong23 is not wrong; he is just not as right as you LOL. For a lot of top CNTs players (ML ...), I am 100% sure they save a lot of tactics and strategies for big tournaments. It is because they need to beat their own teammates to win; they will not use them in the cttsl. However, this strategy does not apply to JNT players LOLLOLLOLLOLLOL 



But Ito mima is not an ordinary Japanese player, She has proven many times that she can beat the top 3 cnt players consistently. She is as good
if not better than most cnt players.

You can be assured that the cnt have been analyzing her game, that is why it is important for her to keep some weapons under her sleeve as surprise factors in big tournaments, that way she can keep her main chinese rivals off guard. For example She should stop using her most effective serves (shovel), service returns(banana, strawberry flicks) against her main cnt rivals until the next olympics.

Winning wttc and olymlics singles titles should be the priorities for Ito Mima and she is more than good enough to win them.

Edited by jackwong23 - 11/05/2018 at 3:28am
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please zeio and the good people on our forum, what did Li Sun mean when he said: finish it up quick..... we gotta pull an all nighter to finish up the report.

Is that Coach Li asking her to lose the set quickly and then have enough time to review the match in the night, or was zeio just trolling????
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

please zeio and the good people on our forum, what did Li Sun mean when he said: finish it up quick..... we gotta pull an all nighter to finish up the report.

Is that Coach Li asking her to lose the set quickly and then have enough time to review the match in the night, or was zeio just trolling????

Don't think the coach would say that. Most likely he asked ZYL to play with a quicker pace to somehow force IM some errors.

Anyway, his coaching was no good at all, asking ZYL to cause unforced errors to IM. And ZYL replied with, how?
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Originally posted by kindof99 kindof99 wrote:

Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

please zeio and the good people on our forum, what did Li Sun mean when he said: finish it up quick..... we gotta pull an all nighter to finish up the report.

Is that Coach Li asking her to lose the set quickly and then have enough time to review the match in the night, or was zeio just trolling????

Don't think the coach would say that. Most likely he asked ZYL to play with a quicker pace to somehow force IM some errors.

Anyway, his coaching was no good at all, asking ZYL to cause unforced errors to IM. And ZYL replied with, how?
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Ya, the only 2 ways that I can think of were long rally or changing place / spin / speed. Now, the rallies were short. That match was almost as same as her match against Hirano at the ATTC, completely clueless. 

BTW, this is the second time that a "non-CNT" player beat 3 "real" CNT players in a tournament. 


Edited by Egghead - 11/04/2018 at 7:56pm
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.

===========================

If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

How many forum members here think that you got a great brain? Give us a break.


You practise them when playing against lesser opponents, teammates. dumbass.
Jack, no need for insults. I usually don't agree with your posts, but I think you do make some sense here.
 I also agree with jackwong23, many players do not perform to their best at minor tournaments because they are trying to time a performance peak with a major tournament, and yes, Waldner was a complete master at this.
 Two different arguments, if you are an up and coming developing player, give your best constantly, you are still learning. 
if you are a competent player who has reached your potential, you would be unwise to put all of your cards on the table giving your opponents time to learn how to beat you. 
which is the dumbass statement?
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Ito played a superb TT, far away than her opponents never seen before, even better than the Asian games. In my opinion she's the best non Chinese player over the last 20-25 years, fastest of the womens circuit; she reminds me Den Yaping on her prime. She's a serious threat for the Olimpics.

BTW which FH rubber is he using??

Edited by jonyer1980 - 11/05/2018 at 9:03am
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Ito played a superb TT, far away than her opponents never seen before, even better than the Asian games. In my opinion she's the best non Chinese player over the last 20-25 years, fastest of the womens circuit; she reminds me Den Yaping on her prime. She's a serious threat for the Olimpics.

BTW which FH rubber is he using??
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Also, what is the BH rubber is she using?
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Ito is, apparently, Fastarc G1 on FH, Moristo SP on BH, on Acoustic Carbon.
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Using google, just found this:  Ito Mima's FH and BH rubbers.
(Not sure if it is current.)

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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Ito played a superb TT, far away than her opponents never seen before, even better than the Asian games. In my opinion she's the best non Chinese player over the last 20-25 years, fastest of the womens circuit; she reminds me Den Yaping on her prime. She's a serious threat for the Olimpics.

BTW which FH rubber is he using??


Yeah, Ito reminds me a lot of Deng. I just don't remember Deng FH smacked the ball this much.. It's been a while and vids of her playing are hard to find, but I think she FH blocked many of the balls that Ito would of smacked. Maybe it was because of the 38mm ball..
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Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.

===========================

If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

How many forum members here think that you got a great brain? Give us a break.


You practise them when playing against lesser opponents, teammates. dumbass.
Jack, no need for insults. I usually don't agree with your posts, but I think you do make some sense here.

 I also agree with jackwong23, many players do not perform to their best at minor tournaments because they are trying to time a performance peak with a major tournament, and yes, Waldner was a complete master at this.
 Two different arguments, if you are an up and coming developing player, give your best constantly, you are still learning. 
if you are a competent player who has reached your potential, you would be unwise to put all of your cards on the table giving your opponents time to learn how to beat you. 
which is the dumbass statement?



I dont think waldner is gonna be a in a flight for 9 hours in a tournament he doesnt want to win .cnt can do that because they do what coaches want
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.

===========================

If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

How many forum members here think that you got a great brain? Give us a break.


You practise them when playing against lesser opponents, teammates. dumbass.
Jack, no need for insults. I usually don't agree with your posts, but I think you do make some sense here.

 I also agree with jackwong23, many players do not perform to their best at minor tournaments because they are trying to time a performance peak with a major tournament, and yes, Waldner was a complete master at this.
 Two different arguments, if you are an up and coming developing player, give your best constantly, you are still learning. 
if you are a competent player who has reached your potential, you would be unwise to put all of your cards on the table giving your opponents time to learn how to beat you. 
which is the dumbass statement?



I dont think waldner is gonna be a in a flight for 9 hours in a tournament he doesnt want to win .cnt can do that because they do what coaches want

 Waldner knew how to peak, period.
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Waldner can try different tactics and hold back. No way FZD can do the same. He is built and trained to be a table tennis ball killing machine.
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Waldner can try different tactics and hold back. No way FZD can do the same. He is built and trained to be a table tennis ball killing machine.

Do you even watch hoe FZD play recently?
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Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by APW46 APW46 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:


You don't reveal all your stregeties, weapons in unimportant tournaments, you save them for the big tournaments.
Instead you use these small tournaments to figure out your major opponents. This is what Waldner did throughout his career. he never took small tournaments seriously or over~exerted himself. However This does not mean you deliberately miss your shots or lose matches. Maybe this is a difficult concept for you to understand, but that is ok.

===========================

If you don't play your best, strategies & weapons -- wise, how do you know what your strategies & weapons are? How do you know if they are effective? How do you make them consistent when you need them?

You really need to grow a brain !!!!!

How many forum members here think that you got a great brain? Give us a break.


You practise them when playing against lesser opponents, teammates. dumbass.
Jack, no need for insults. I usually don't agree with your posts, but I think you do make some sense here.

 I also agree with jackwong23, many players do not perform to their best at minor tournaments because they are trying to time a performance peak with a major tournament, and yes, Waldner was a complete master at this.
 Two different arguments, if you are an up and coming developing player, give your best constantly, you are still learning. 
if you are a competent player who has reached your potential, you would be unwise to put all of your cards on the table giving your opponents time to learn how to beat you. 
which is the dumbass statement?



I dont think waldner is gonna be a in a flight for 9 hours in a tournament he doesnt want to win .cnt can do that because they do what coaches want


 Waldner knew how to peak, period.


Its just like: I dont lose he hasnt defeated me I never wanted to win
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Originally posted by lgxb lgxb wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Waldner can try different tactics and hold back. No way FZD can do the same. He is built and trained to be a table tennis ball killing machine.

Do you even watch hoe FZD play recently?


No player can win without tactics
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