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osmar92
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Joola prime abs is a killer of anti and pips. I tried different anti and blaDE COMBINATIONS AS WELL ASS long pips. Not enough of reversal on anti, every chop block I did was easy to play against.
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BH-Man
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C'mon osmar… lighten up. MyTT member emihet just absolutely loved the BTY G40+ ball so much he was ready to cuss like a sailor (but didn't) and lose loads of points in sanctioned tourney using the G40+. (he did) When the Joola 40+ was used in so many East Coast tourneys, I really hated on it, was ready to cuss like a whole boatload of sailors (gloriously did) and lost banana boatload of points (ingloriously lost a lot). Every tourney using Joola 40+ ball I lost a lot, a fact. By the time I adjusted to that ball, tourneys started to use different ones. It is the modern way of the weasel, I don't like it either, but here we are. Yet, this ball is gunna stick. I perceive you are at a high enough level to figure out how to win points and matches regardless. But yeah, I get it, really bites to be forced to change a winning way. Our CEO was like that when plastic ball came out and ended up thriving, despite playing part time. I think you are good enough to give trouble... you might discover how to give moar trouble as you learn to adjust.
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i play with Joola all the time . I emphasize ABS ball, dont you know the difference? there is a difference to adjust to trajectory , bounce and so forth? but when the ball negates completely the property of the rubber it is different story Edited by osmar92 - 10/12/2018 at 6:43pm |
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BH-Man and many others are well aware of the differences, but we all support you in your fight to win using the Prime ball. I did perhaps my best tourney ever using the Prime ball (LA Open) It can be done. FIGHTING !!
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what setup do you have?
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BH-Man
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Lately, emihet has been calling me William Moristo on BH and Rocketman on FH with Vega Pro on the all wood Persson PP he gave me to tryout... but we already have a very good forum member named Rocketman. You would like playing vs me with the Prime... I base my game on spin, so you will have plenty of spin to work with. Ironically, 2 of the higher rated players I defeated were LP players, but it wasn't because of the ball, I play higher level vs pips players than inverted players near my level for some reason.
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ok that implies you have no idea how it affects pips or anti
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Calm down and adapt, if you can't calm down then stop talking trash, because your voice will not be heard
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Osar U gunna play in the Flushing Bank Tourney at NYISC Nov 10?
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no
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your great advise is to change the style from bh chop blocker to an attacker?
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Adapt to lower spin capabilities my friend, find different tactics and stop relying on spin so much Adapt, not change
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Adapt to how many different ball compositions and manufacturing techniques? |
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osmar92
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I believe I said earlier that this ball negates the main property of anti. That means the rubber is no longer an instrument but the ballast and there is no way to adapt it generates flat ball as opposed to underspin on chop blocks. Adapt one can do with inverted rubber to lesser spin but with anti it becomes not anti but similar to worn inverted, completely different style, let alone that I have beem adapting to all the changes all my over 40 years of playing. Do you follow now?
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We could see a Richard DeWitt and Osmars championship doubles team if only Rich would cough up a spare bat...
Osmar, you ever drop in Korean Flushing, NYISC or Robert Chen's place? I'll cough up a new autographed Prime ball, I got 4 left... |
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The ball doesn't reduce spin significantly at all, in my eyes. Don't know if anyone else would second this?
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did I say significantly? it should not be significantly to affect inverted rubber, lp and slick pips it affects to detriment
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did I say significantly? it should not be significantly to affect the game, lp and slick pips it affects to detriment Edited by osmar92 - 10/17/2018 at 6:16pm |
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Ubiquitously non significant, you're contradicting yourself You say it's affecting you to detriment, but you denying its significance, which is what I'm saying
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you dont get it. ball affects not significantly spin of inverted rubber , to this one can adapt. With anti no adaptation caz it can change style drastically or moreover one must abandon anti caz it does not perform as designed
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Change style slightly
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Baal
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If we didn't get it before, we get it now, since you have definitely been making that point repeatedly. Hard to know what to do about it though. I honestly haven't encountered anyone with anti in quite a few years, but I know that LP players tend to not like 40+ balls.
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impossible, one should abandon anti then
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i replied repeatedly to those who share their view without understanding the issue. we can do nothing, i kept adapting but this specific ball is horrible but my inverted play is not affected practically
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osmar, I'm gunna be in NYC in a couple weeks around Flushing Korean, NYISC, Robert Chen's new place, maybe SPiN and maybe other clubs. C'mon over and get me REKT by Ur anti. I promise to give more than enough spin to make your anti have a lot of variation possibilities.
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Properties of different balls affect different players in different ways. The BTY G40+ ball I mentioned that was Kryptonite for MyTT forum member emihet really affected his performance negatively, while the only two tourneys I did using it were successful. The bounce of the G40+ sounds like a weird hollow crack (like a tortured eggshell pumpkin), but on a slow underspin, the ball generally bounces consistent. On topspin balls, somehow this ball kicks off the table more severely... so to reloop, one must speed up the timing. This makes for some wonderful looking loop to loop rallies in practice... and some errors in tourney matches. emihet and I do pretty much the same thing - block and attack with inverted, but at different levels and ways. (he is 3 levels a better player no matter the rating.) The G40+ ball really irritated him, he had a difficult time adjusting to its bounce, behavior in the air, and its arrival timing. The ball has a hard feel and is likely near max spec of heavy (both properties good in my book) Last ICC tourney we did as a brotherhood mission, emihet lost a boatload of points, while Scoobie Doo cleaned up on higher rated players. I performed better vs the crowd 1-3 levels above my rating too. Weird how different offensive players vary in performance with a differently performing ball, but it is what it is... and not a lot of us like the wildly different properties of the different plastic ball mess ITTF started and national associations copy/pasted like blind sheep in drug induced stupor worse than Chipmunks trying to make enriched uranium...
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if you want to show me anything come to Dynamo club. You still do not listen what I said. Incoming ball affect the topshit of anti regardless what comes in and negates the effect of the anti
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Maybe I bring a local trouble maker or two and see y'all, I like seeing new territory.
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Osmar have you tried different antis? Maybe some will be better than others.
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i think i wrote before that I tried different blades, anti and pips
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