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He zhuojia let Cheng I-Ching got 19 points out of the 4 sets, one more point than Ishikawa got...
She uses funny rubber and does not do well against someone who also uses it - how do you judge that?


You can say that to most funny rubber players, including Ito. He and Ito played earlier and it turned out the He's rubber is funnier...
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He zhuojia let Cheng I-Ching got 19 points out of the 4 sets, one more point than Ishikawa got...
She uses funny rubber and does not do well against someone who also uses it - how do you judge that?
She beat Ito 4-2 in the battle of weird rubbers, who else???
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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

He zhuojia let Cheng I-Ching got 19 points out of the 4 sets, one more point than Ishikawa got...
She uses funny rubber and does not do well against someone who also uses it - how do you judge that?


You can say that to most funny rubber players, including Ito. He and Ito played earlier and it turned out the He's rubber is funnier...


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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

finally, AAAHHH, GOOD LORD!!!.   Congrats Pitchford, finally someone punishing Boll's play in this tournament, always coming back from 2 games or a game down to win, all those tricky serves and receives gives him so much mental strength and confidence and that ability to read the opponent so well, thank God Pitchford serves and his backhand was very effective today


yes, Timo had a lucky escape
against Frankziska earlier in this tourney.
Apparently too much success makes people jealous?  There is nothing wrong with Timo coming back from being down; it's a sign of his mental toughness. I also think it somewhat reflects his tactics: he uses the early games to probe his opponents and then the later games he attacks the weaknesses he's spotted.  Timo has a very long history of coming back to win matches after being down 1-2-3 games.  That's something to be proud of.

I also doesn't think it's fair to describe his win over Franziska has lucky.  Fortunate, maybe, in that Franziska was playing him very tough and very smart, but when Timo one in the end it wasn't because of an edge ball or something, it was just determination and smart play.  And, to a certain extent, I think Franziska was playing most of the match at the very top of his game, and it's hard to sustain yourself at 100% for an entire seven game match.

I think Timo looked tired from the start of this tournament.  Maybe he's sick?  At any rate, it's hard to play two seven game matches in succession and then immediately play again.
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Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

He zhuojia let Cheng I-Ching got 19 points out of the 4 sets, one more point than Ishikawa got...
She uses funny rubber and does not do well against someone who also uses it - how do you judge that?
She beat Ito 4-2 in the battle of weird rubbers, who else???
I saw one recently where He lost badly,  will have to do a bit of research
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by troubadour troubadour wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

He zhuojia let Cheng I-Ching got 19 points out of the 4 sets, one more point than Ishikawa got...
She uses funny rubber and does not do well against someone who also uses it - how do you judge that?
She beat Ito 4-2 in the battle of weird rubbers, who else???
I saw one recently where He lost badly,  will have to do a bit of research
not in the ITTF tournaments, don't know how to check others.  I could have remembered wrong on who she lost to also.
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He Zhuojia lost to Han Ying, 2-4, in 2018 Swedish Open.
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not in the ITTF tournaments, don't know how to check others.  I could have remembered wrong on who she lost to also.
It was at the CTTSL or CNG; 
A lot of CNT players can beat her without problem. She was Ai Fukuhara copy cat. 


Then, she could be very good



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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

He Zhuojia lost to Han Ying, 2-4, in 2018 Swedish Open.
thank you.  I saw that during my research but misread the results.  so I haven't lost it (yet)
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Originally posted by Egghead Egghead wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

not in the ITTF tournaments, don't know how to check others.  I could have remembered wrong on who she lost to also.
It was at the CTTSL or CNG; 
A lot of CNT players can beat her without problem. She was Ai Fukuhara copy cat. 


Then, she could be very good


It was Han Ying that I was thinking of.  On a separate note, He looks older than she is
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Choppers are differnet though. But it's true, players with untraditional rubbers have this type of advantages, even against each other. I think He uses long pips, but Fukuhara used shorter ones.

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that is a bit inflammatory "her will to win is low"?  if her skills are high, this will be a sure way to fire her up
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Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

that is a bit inflammatory "her will to win is low"?  if her skills are high, this will be a sure way to fire her up


If you watched the March you will know what she meant. I felt exactly the same way watching the match and said exactly the same thing as Qang Manyu.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

that is a bit inflammatory "her will to win is low"?  if her skills are high, this will be a sure way to fire her up


If you watched the March you will know what she meant. I felt exactly the same way watching the match and said exactly the same thing as Qang Manyu.

will check it out when I have a chance
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Timo played against Zheng Peifeng just about one hour ago for seven games (?). Gave him credit for a 37 years old. 


It was6 gamer. So when your fav player loses its because:
1 he s tired
2 he doesnt want to win
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ito mima looked like she lost interest and did not try out there. I don't blame her, these are mickey mouse tournaments and winning and losing does not matter in the great scheme of things.
jack, how is the Austrian more mickey mouse than the Swede one????


To be precise they are both mickey mouse tournaments in comparisons
to the Olympics, wttcs and world cups.

I said a few days ago that beating 4 chinese players in a small tournament like the Sweden open might not be a good thing for Ito, as she is now being targeted and analyzed by the chinese.


They arent small tournaments its only a way to not give credit when your favorite player was defeated in this case japanese players .ito was being analysed from before swedish open



Like it or not, this is what I said after Ito's Sweden open victory a few days ago.

"It is great to win the sweden open , but why reveal all your cards to your enemies before the big touraments ?
Waldner never revealed his true form and major weapons in unimportant tournanents and this is something Ito should learn.
Now the chinese know what Ito is capable of doing.
Big, big mistake, I am afraid."

Notice that I used the phrase
" unimportant tournaments " above?


Maybe Ito has finally taken a page out of zjk or waldner's book ~ never take pro tours seriously, instead use them to suss out your opponents.


Ito never said she is not interested in protours. .its your excuse when the "overrated" player wins over your fav player
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THUS COULD YOU WIN, MY SONNY ..

Criss-cross play is the only chance for Harimoto to amaze the Chinese to death.   I have now adviced him to always get the ball at sharp angle sideways, and I keep saying this to him now and again, now and again.
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Originally posted by wanchope wanchope wrote:

Choppers are differnet though. But it's true, players with untraditional rubbers have this type of advantages, even against each other. I think He uses long pips, but Fukuhara used shorter ones.
Ya; the funny thing was that He was using MP or SP before. Somehow. CNT wanted her to be Fukuhara copy cat and asked her to switch to LP.
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So when your fav player loses its because:
1 he s tired
2 he doesnt want to win

Don't forget
3 he isn't using a Butterfly blade
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ito mima looked like she lost interest and did not try out there. I don't blame her, these are mickey mouse tournaments and winning and losing does not matter in the great scheme of things.
jack, how is the Austrian more mickey mouse than the Swede one????


To be precise they are both mickey mouse tournaments in comparisons
to the Olympics, wttcs and world cups.

I said a few days ago that beating 4 chinese players in a small tournament like the Sweden open might not be a good thing for Ito, as she is now being targeted and analyzed by the chinese.


They arent small tournaments its only a way to not give credit when your favorite player was defeated in this case japanese players .ito was being analysed from before swedish open



Like it or not, this is what I said after Ito's Sweden open victory a few days ago.

"It is great to win the sweden open , but why reveal all your cards to your enemies before the big touraments ?
Waldner never revealed his true form and major weapons in unimportant tournanents and this is something Ito should learn.
Now the chinese know what Ito is capable of doing.
Big, big mistake, I am afraid."

Notice that I used the phrase
" unimportant tournaments " above?


Maybe Ito has finally taken a page out of zjk or waldner's book ~ never take pro tours seriously, instead use them to suss out your opponents.


Ito never said she is not interested in protours. .its your excuse when the "overrated" player wins over your fav player
sat down to watch parts of the match that Ito lost.  She played shit thru quite a bit of it. Since she threw some temper tantrums - I doubt she didn't care to win 
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Originally posted by tom tom wrote:

Originally posted by jackwong23 jackwong23 wrote:

Ito mima looked like she lost interest and did not try out there. I don't blame her, these are mickey mouse tournaments and winning and losing does not matter in the great scheme of things.
jack, how is the Austrian more mickey mouse than the Swede one????


To be precise they are both mickey mouse tournaments in comparisons
to the Olympics, wttcs and world cups.

I said a few days ago that beating 4 chinese players in a small tournament like the Sweden open might not be a good thing for Ito, as she is now being targeted and analyzed by the chinese.


They arent small tournaments its only a way to not give credit when your favorite player was defeated in this case japanese players .ito was being analysed from before swedish open



Like it or not, this is what I said after Ito's Sweden open victory a few days ago.

"It is great to win the sweden open , but why reveal all your cards to your enemies before the big touraments ?
Waldner never revealed his true form and major weapons in unimportant tournanents and this is something Ito should learn.
Now the chinese know what Ito is capable of doing.
Big, big mistake, I am afraid."

Notice that I used the phrase
" unimportant tournaments " above?


Maybe Ito has finally taken a page out of zjk or waldner's book ~ never take pro tours seriously, instead use them to suss out your opponents.


Ito never said she is not interested in protours. .its your excuse when the "overrated" player wins over your fav player

Jack's got totally wrong line of reasoning, there's a reason why some many forum members calling his BS.  As a player, you have to keep improving and keep strong winning mentality.  A player playing to lose so he/she doesn't reveal his cards, who the hell cares about your card when you don't know how to win.   
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Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Jack's got totally wrong line of reasoning, there's a reason why some many forum members calling his BS.  As a player, you have to keep improving and keep strong winning mentality.  A player playing to lose so he/she doesn't reveal his cards, who the hell cares about your card when you don't know how to win.
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Jack's reasoning: You hide your weapons/strategies, even if it means that you lose, then you use them in Olympics or WTTC. (Problems: your weapons/strategies get rusty. If you only practice against weak opponents or team mates, you don't gain the experience on how to deal with strong players' reactions, etc..)

I find that reasoning completely BS. If you don't keep on winning, you may not even be selected by your country to play in the Olympics or WTTC.


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Zhu Yuling is sure glad that Ito Mima was gone.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by patwhall patwhall wrote:

Jack's got totally wrong line of reasoning, there's a reason why some many forum members calling his BS.  As a player, you have to keep improving and keep strong winning mentality.  A player playing to lose so he/she doesn't reveal his cards, who the hell cares about your card when you don't know how to win.
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Jack's reasoning: You hide your weapons/strategies, even if it means that you lose, then you use them in Olympics or WTTC. (Problems: your weapons/strategies get rusty. If you only practice against weak opponents or team mates, you don't gain the experience on how to deal with strong players' reactions, etc..)
I find that reasoning completely BS. If you don't keep on winning, you may not even be selected by your country to play in the Olympics or WTTC.

Guys, guys... let's not go down this road of back and forth "You need to grow a brain.  .... No, you're a dumbass".  It derails threads and does not promote good discussion.  I get that this is the Internet and you can almost say whatever you want, but many folks don't want to sift through pages of back and forth garbage.

Now, though I disagree with jackwong23 on whether or not it's a good thing to beat 4 Chinese at the Sweden Open, I think there is something to be said for not revealing *all* of your cards before WC/OC.  In fact I could have sworn I had read there being some discussion of exactly this with respect to Ma Long before WC/OC to get FZD off guard, but I can't seem to find it.  I don't have a lot of time today to do research, but I found this interesting post from a while back:


So I absolutely believe that Mima Ito needed to use all of her weapons to beat the top Chinese players at the Sweden Open to build confidence and prove to herself that her training is working.  But the question is now that she's done it, what should she do from here on out.  I think she can develop *new* weapons that she could either spring on the top Chinese at the WC/OC or use sparingly or even only use on CNT opponents she's deemed unlikely to make the Olympics, but are still very, very good (CXT, SYS).  

The CNT was caught off guard at the Asian Championships last year and now the Swedish Open so I do think there is something to be said for not revealing all of your cards until WC/OC.  I would like to see Mima Ito pull off another Swedish Open specifically at the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.  You know that the CNT is extremely good at analyzing players so it might not be a bad idea to save new weapons/tactics until WC/OC.
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Zhu Yuling is sure glad that Ito Mima was gone.

I think there are lot more players who could defeat Ito Mima than Zhu Yuling in a tournament so, even if Ito Mima has a difficult game to deal with for Zhu Yuling, she will have:

-to be in the same part of the table
-to defeat all the other players from Korea, HK, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore.....while in the same time, only some Chinese players are able to defeat ZYL


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Man, can Harimoto take out Xu Xin?

Harimoto won the first game.
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Harimoto vs Xu.
Game:  2-3.

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