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What pips does Mima use? |
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Tassie52
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Because time is a factor in the calculation of power, it is precisely her speed which gives her power. The work of hitting the ball is performed over a shorter period of time (i.e. she's faster, she has more speed), therefore her power is greater than someone who does the same amount of work but takes longer to do it. You may be more correct to say she has less strength, given that the ability to lift a weight is not dependent upon speed. I think what we were looking at in Mima Ito's matches was a clear demonstration that she hits the ball harder than her opponents. There were any number of points where she just blasted the ball past them before they could react - a clear demonstration of her "power".
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Mima Ito's reliance on flat hitting raises the risk that her shot will miss the table, but if she has the height on the ball to allow a straight smash, the linear speed of the ball will be faster than that of a loop. The amazing thing is that she has become so accurate and quick with her flat hit shots that she doesn't need to loop as often. Chinese top-spinners loop and aren't prepared for Ito's approach, it seems.
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JohnnyChop
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But I doubt that a top level Chinese player will have any trouble with spin reversal even from frictionless long pips... It has to be Ito's speed and placement. That being said I always thought that Moristo being a short pip acts much closer to a medium pip rather then inverted |
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Deng Yaping, .. Mima's immediate predecessor.
It was Deng Yaping's overwhelming dominance throughout 90s, that suggested Nipponese coaches the idea of Short Pips being the best choice for Mimo Ito's special benefits. |
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JohnnyChop
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I would assume the immediate predecessor is Ai Fukuhara... 😆 Deng played with long pip backhand |
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She said that she was influenced by wang tao |
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mykonos96
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Are you sure? |
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zeio
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That's why people differentiate 正貼(shortpips), 生膠(raw pips), and 半長膠(medium pips) in China. Moristo SP falls under the type of raw pips. Raw pips produces less spin but is comparable in speed to shortpips, but with additional 下沉(sinking) effect. Edited by zeio - 11/09/2018 at 4:11am |
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Thanks for the comment. I'm not confident about this analysis of the Chinese perspective as it relates to Ito's Moristo rubber and its usage. Out-of-the-package Moristo is not comparable to short pips in speed. Ito's backhand certainly is comparable in speed to short pips, which suggests a specialize rubber sheet. Out-of-the-package Moristo does have the quality of "additional (sinking) effect" of what we and the ITTF refers to as a "long" pimples characteristic. It is not clear from your contribution the playing attributes of medium pips from the Chinese perspective. Thanks,
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The Chinese classification of raw and “cooked” pips refers more to the manufacturing process of the top sheet rubber (difference being heat treatment) so it is less about playing characteristic. I mean in general the raw pips have less grip and more sink then the ‘cooked’ ones but you can find a huge variation of playing characteristics with in each category, for example both TSP Spectol and 729 563 are both raw pips however they play very very differently and it is the same with Superspinpips and Baxter F1A both being ‘cooked’ pips. I am not sure why you would think Moristo does not have comparable shortpip speed because it is plenty fast(but it is also true that Ito may be using a special version not available on the market)... Moriso is a raw pip with short pip length, to me it plays like a less spinny spectol with more sink. The sink with the right placement and speed of return could totally cause the opponent to loop the ball into the net. Also i am sure that the sink is more often referred to as a short or medium pip effect not a long pip effect. Long pips reverses/ continues the spin while most of the time shortpip takes off the spin which causes the sinking effect Edited by JohnnyChop - 11/09/2018 at 11:40am |
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Ito has to flat hit on the BH because she is a shortpip player... |
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Deleted. Wrong thread.
Edited by skip3119 - 11/09/2018 at 12:24pm |
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Moristo SP AX is brand new to the market and few retailers appear to have it yet. It wouldn't surprise me if Ito was one of the first in the world to get it, and if she's Nittaku-sponsored she may have even had a part in its development.
As an SP/MP player myself who campaigned LP for many years, I saw nothing inconsistent with her play in Sweden last week to make me think she was using anything but a fast, spinny SP on her backhand. What's more surprising is how she successfully uses her inverted like an SP on the forehand, flat-hitting through her opponents' loops with devastating success. Could this be the rise of a new playing style, and possibly an SP resurrection?! |
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Edited by pingpungpeng - 11/09/2018 at 4:03pm |
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Still have no info.if ito is using AX. Yes quick close attack is succesful |
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http://5b0988e595225.cdn.sohucs.com/images/20181104/33d83108dc9b4a20a7b61f1fae34ab9a.jpeg This was from last week. Clearly she is sill using Moristo SP. Interesting to note that she experimented with using the Stiga Nostalgic earlier this year, but stuck with the Acoustic Carbon.
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CLONE. Aborted Edited by igorponger - 11/22/2018 at 10:02am |
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BOXING DRILLS IS OF RUSSIAN ORIGIN. I am happy to promulgate so now. It was about 1970s that Russian coach, Ferdman Moishe, propounded those punching works using the hanging sandbag so as to further empower his daugther's attacking play. Mima Ito, prodigy child of Japan, just followed Ferdman's example to her particular benefit. Some Gun-machine. 伊藤表示自己小时候妈妈逼着自己进行乏味的体能训练,由于觉得太乏味了便没有坚持下去,经历2017年一整年的低迷后,在妈妈和教练的劝说下,又恢复了这种枯燥的训练。伊藤主动逼迫自己,进行了不少高强度的体能训练其中包括高强度的拳击练习。 [/QUOTE] Edited by igorponger - 11/22/2018 at 7:58am |
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I heard she punches the sand bag with bare knuckles. It's like a 3 times per day routine, also. Plus, her drink bottle is only ever filled with the strongest homemade japanese moonshine.
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Maybe igorponger can give her a pic of igor to attach it to the punchbag and train |
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