SP for FH

Hey, I've recently gotten back into playing competitively after 3 years hiatus and I'm trying to decide which SP I should get for my FH (I use Sunflex Anti Loop on BH, on a Andro Nightmare All+ blade).

My playstyle is generally like so : 

I twiddle the bat quite often so that I can get aggressive with my BH also.
I generally don't play aggresive so I rather put spin on the ball, but I'd like have some power/speed (or as I like to call it, to add that "oumphf" that I need cause I can't hit well with my FH) in case I need to break out a smash/loop.

TL;DR I'd like to get a SP for my FH that has spin but a bit of speed so I can chop with them but also attack if needed.

Thanks in advance guys/girls.

AntiDef.

Ah thanks, I was looking originally at Spectol Spinpips but couldn't decide.

What's the biggest difference between Spectol Blue and Spectol Red ?

Yeah, that's what I was aiming for, and with thickness I'd go around 1.5-1.7 so you're spot on with that pretty much.

Also, sponge thickness is more significant on pimple out than inverted rubber. The feel and characteristics of the rubber will be much different at different thicknesses.

Edited by ericd937 - 11/11/2018 at 8:09pm

AntiDef wrote: Yeah, can imagine that, I'm using Andro Plasma 430 with 1.8 sponge, but I wanna go to SP cause I can't move that much around the table. So yeah I was thinking about 1.5-1.7 sponge for the SP. Also I've decided to go with Spectol Blue

Nittaku besutry is good choice at 1.5 mm is as fast like other sp tensors at 1.8mm

I play short pimple on my forehand. What is you reason behind playing with short pimple? do you have trouble generating spin on your forehand shots? Maybe you can post a video and we can work on the technique. but it is fun to play with it on forehand, so go for it if you want to! I think it is important to know what effect you want from the pimple, how do you want to play with it. 

I play with short pimples cause I'm disabled so I can't move much around the table.

Lula wrote: Okey! I dont know if short pimple is the right option if you have trouble to move around the table :) In my experience you need to come more correct to the ball with short pips, since if you do not hit the ball at the highest point you will have to lift the ball with no spin. In my humble opinion i think you should play better with an inverted rubber, maybe a china rubber where you can get a lot of spin on the ball even if you do not hit it at the highest point. But if you want to play with short pimple i think you should go with a pimple rubber with a lot of effect. A friend of mine play  with Spinlord Keiler, that have a lot of effect but might be harder to smash with. He have it on backhand.

+1, SP may not be a good choice for a disabled person. I have tried quite a few SPs, can't name one that would be a good choice for a passive game.

I would try inverted rubber that can let you chop and loop like Gambler Reflectoid or Air Defender from colestt. Both are cheap to try.

ericd937 wrote: Spinpips is horizonatally aligned. If you are looking for decent spin, you would be better of with vertically aligned pips on the forehand of shakehand player.

Should not be a deal breaker, but I do agree vertical pips orientation is better for FH. However, horizontal pips is fine for me on either sides.

Vertical pips are less spin-oriented and have a flatter trajectory.  Horizontal pips are more for spin.  Take a look at all of the short pips that are more spin-oriented and you'll see they are horizontally aligned.  You have it backwards eric.  

AntiDef wrote: Ah okay, but as I'm in Iceland it's quite time consuming getting the rubbers, but the dealer here has Buttrefly Impartial XS and XB, which would you recomend of those two for FH then ?

"Vertical pips are less spin-oriented and have a flatter trajectory.  Horizontal pips are more for spin.  Take a look at all of the short pips that are more spin-oriented and you'll see they are horizontally aligned."

Edited by ericd937 - 11/15/2018 at 4:29am

ericd937 wrote: AcudaDave wrote: Vertical pips are less spin-oriented and have a flatter trajectory.  Horizontal pips are more for spin.  Take a look at all of the short pips that are more spin-oriented and you'll see they are horizontally aligned.  You have it backwards eric.   SpinPips Blue is much slower than the Red version. I've played with most of the major brands of short pips. I'm currently playing with Joola Ultra Express in 2.0 on my FH.  I've also played with Victas 102 in 1.8 on my FH quite a bit and did very well.  The 101 is vertically aligned and more difficult for opponents.  102 is horizontally aligned and easier to spin and play with. On slower contact, you are correct. SpinPips Red is softer and has more of a tensioned catipult feel. I usually play with sponge thickness of about 1.5. SpinPips Red is pretty soft and it bottoms out on hard hits with the thin sponge. Spin Pips Blue is Harder. If you hit harder, it goes faster. I would argue because it doesn't bottom out as easily, Blue has higher speed potential if you have a powerful stroke. Whereas the maximum speed potential of SpinPips Red is limited because on hard hits, it bottoms out and you lose any catipult. I've played a good deal with both SpinPips and Spectol Red and Blue.

 

I'd recommend one of the SPs that has been redesigned for the 40+ plastic ball. It makes a big difference in speed. Look at the ITTF LARC for OUT rubbers with recent registration numbers, e.g.



You'll need to know which OUT rubbers are SP vs MP or LP but that's easily determined from the various manufacturers' marketing material.

I decided to go with Butterfly Impartial XB with  2.1 sponge, quite soft and really good control, pretty much the ideal short pimples for me, also as they're vertically aligned like most of you recommended.