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    Posted: 11/26/2018 at 4:58pm
https://twitter.com/olympicchannel/status/1067115153680936960

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I will go further: It is the greatest shot in the history of table tennis.

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That guy is secretly a Jedi Master with amazing "luck" :D
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

That guy is secretly a Jedi Master with amazing "luck" :D

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What is his equipment? How do I increase my luck naturally? Will a rabbit's foot necklace work? Is a rabbit's foot necklace WITH black BTY Tag luckier???

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Hi,

Missed here in the comments is the vaulted player quality known and highly valued widely by international coaches everywhere: anticipation.

Demonstrated here is the greatest manifestation of anticipation in all the sport's history, an uncanny, unfathomable sense in this singular example of where the ball was going, even before it was struck, plus knowing the height of the ball, plus the proper racket angle for responding effectively to the yet-to-be-executed opponent's shot.

Richard Feynman, the super creative Nobel-winning physicist, had commented that even with his superb background in the field he never could understand how Einstein thought of and developed the General Theory of Relativity, a theory of such creativity that, upon its publication, many leading physicists rejected out-of-hand because of its strikingly radical nature.

A leading physicist stated in the 1980's that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, published in 1905, was an outstanding contribution to science, that many scientists were working on a similar approach and that this theory would have been, comparatively soon, discovered and published by another if Einstein had not done it first.  In this physicist's view, the same is not true of the General Theory, that even at that time (the 1980's) the theory was so creative that it would still not have been developed.

Even today, despite all of the work on the General Theory since 1915, there remain many mysteries from his eight equations yet to be discovered.

Anticipation is table tennis' General Theory of Relativity.  I bow deeply before it in reverence.

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From Richard Feynman I recall a statement that is often wrongly attributed to Einstein: we show that we deeply understand a complex idea when we can explain it in simple words.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

From Richard Feynman I recall a statement that is often wrongly attributed to Einstein: we show that we deeply understand a complex idea when we can explain it in simple words.

Yes, you are correct.

Also interesting in this regard is an observation by Einstein on the notion that is summarized as "Keep it simple, stupid."  He stated that we should all strive to express an idea in as lucid and straightforward a manner as we are able, however it is important to acknowledge that complexity exists in the universe and, as such, we need to honor the inherent complexity of the matter being addressed in the appropriate precision to most accurately express the matters attributes, avoiding erroneous simplification.

In table tennis, I have argued in my writings that one of the great limitations in the intellectual discourse within the sport is the lack of sufficient precision of expression due to the popular yet excessively generic vocabulary.  There are very many examples that may be cited.  One of the most beloved is expressed as "Don't rush!," an exclamation that seems thoroughly understood by the soul that utters it, yet cannot possibly be well applied by those seeking high quality play, for the diversity of circumstances is so great as to necessitate much more specific commentary on when and how to avoid this universally disdained behavior.  I have noticed that I have never yet heard "Don't rush!" regurgitated after a player made the shot, only upon a missed shot, and only on some missed shots.  This surely must mean that a player that makes a shot is never rushing.  That is good to know, yet still insufficient for me to incorporate it into my usage.  As the expression has reached such a fashionable and unchallenged state within the sport, it warrants broad-based pondering by all.

Speaking out of school and from an admittedly weak place of understanding, it always seemed to me that Mima Ito really rushes alot.  It seems she should be scolded. Perhaps I'm confused.

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Chuck Norris has solved all of Einstein's equations. In addition, he solved Fermat's last theorem and trisected an angle using only astraight edge and compass...
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It’s like the weight of a blade, Borko said once β€œmake it the heaviest you can handle.” It’s simple and straightforward: for a blade, heavier means faster, stiffer and those characteristics are better to a certain point where the marginal utility of the delta weight becomes negative. Same for Mima: the game is about speed and quickness so rush is good up to the point where we miss too many so we do not win.
Short story short, living on the edge is the key, on the safe side of the edge that is; the price to pay? A few falls on the way to glory. Brush it off, try again! GO MIMA!!!
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i just like how the kid continued to 'swing' after the first contact, in case there was further action

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It’s like the weight of a blade, Borko said once β€œmake it the heaviest you can handle.” It’s simple and straightforward: for a blade, heavier means faster, stiffer and those characteristics are better to a certain point where the marginal utility of the delta weight becomes negative. Same for Mima: the game is about speed and quickness so rush is good up to the point where we miss too many so we do not win.
Short story short, living on the edge is the key, on the safe side of the edge that is; the price to pay? A few falls on the way to glory. Brush it off, try again! GO MIMA!!!

Well, perhaps you are correct, but then the confusion continues.  Founded exclusively on observing the "Don't rush!" usage of others in a coaching spirit, I concluded that rushing is always wrong.  I have never heard anyone say "Rush! Rush!" as an expression of playing advocacy, so I draw that conclusion.  Also, players never rushed if they made the shot, only upon missing the shot has rushing occurred and been explicitly acknowledged.  Therefore, apparently, Mima is only rushing some of the time.

If the "Rush! Rush!" expressions were balanced with the "Don't rush!" expressions, then more clarity would arise.

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"Be quick but don't hurry"

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If you must be in a hurry, then let it be according to the old adage, and hasten slowly. ~Saint Vincent de Paul

Whoever is in a hurry shows that the thing he is about is too big for him. ~Lord Chesterfield

The devil takes a hand in what is done in haste. ~Turkish Proverb

Once you stop rushing through life, you will be amazed how much more life you have time for. ~Author Unknown

That last one is good and adaptable to table tennis:
Once you stop rushing through your table tennis match, you will be amazed how many more shots you have time for.


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The player under the table may have known where the ball would be placed or it's velocity but it was impossible for him to know both at the same time (Heisenberg).

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Missed here in the comments is the vaulted player quality known and highly valued widely by international coaches everywhere: anticipation.

Demonstrated here is the greatest manifestation of anticipation in all the sport's history, an uncanny, unfathomable sense in this singular example of where the ball was going, even before it was struck, plus knowing the height of the ball, plus the proper racket angle for responding effectively to the yet-to-be-executed opponent's shot.

Richard Feynman, the super creative Nobel-winning physicist, had commented that even with his superb background in the field he never could understand how Einstein thought of and developed the General Theory of Relativity, a theory of such creativity that, upon its publication, many leading physicists rejected out-of-hand because of its strikingly radical nature.

A leading physicist stated in the 1980's that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, published in 1905, was an outstanding contribution to science, that many scientists were working on a similar approach and that this theory would have been, comparatively soon, discovered and published by another if Einstein had not done it first.  In this physicist's view, the same is not true of the General Theory, that even at that time (the 1980's) the theory was so creative that it would still not have been developed.

Even today, despite all of the work on the General Theory since 1915, there remain many mysteries from his eight equations yet to be discovered.

Anticipation is table tennis' General Theory of Relativity.  I bow deeply before it in reverence.

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Originally posted by heavyspin heavyspin wrote:

The player under the table may have known where the ball would be placed or it's velocity but it was impossible for him to know both at the same time (Heisenberg).

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:


OK, but are you certain or uncertain about this?

Hi,

Missed here in the comments is the vaulted player quality known and highly valued widely by international coaches everywhere: anticipation.

Demonstrated here is the greatest manifestation of anticipation in all the sport's history, an uncanny, unfathomable sense in this singular example of where the ball was going, even before it was struck, plus knowing the height of the ball, plus the proper racket angle for responding effectively to the yet-to-be-executed opponent's shot.

Richard Feynman, the super creative Nobel-winning physicist, had commented that even with his superb background in the field he never could understand how Einstein thought of and developed the General Theory of Relativity, a theory of such creativity that, upon its publication, many leading physicists rejected out-of-hand because of its strikingly radical nature.

A leading physicist stated in the 1980's that Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity, published in 1905, was an outstanding contribution to science, that many scientists were working on a similar approach and that this theory would have been, comparatively soon, discovered and published by another if Einstein had not done it first.  In this physicist's view, the same is not true of the General Theory, that even at that time (the 1980's) the theory was so creative that it would still not have been developed.

Even today, despite all of the work on the General Theory since 1915, there remain many mysteries from his eight equations yet to be discovered.

Anticipation is table tennis' General Theory of Relativity.  I bow deeply before it in reverence.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

<font size="3" color="#0033ff">I will go further: It is the greatest shot in the history of table tennis.
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<font size="3" color="#0033ff">Thanks,


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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It went viral; the kid lost the point anyway apparently (free hand grabbing the table):

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/teenager-table-tennis-player-delivers-viral-controversial-winner/news-story/ea950fd50ddc68dbb22b666abececcf2

Well, of course he is going to represent the shot as lucky; he's Norwegian, a notoriously modest breed.  It is well known that athletes do not really understand how they do what they do at extraordinary levels.  This is another case.

In counteracting the deeply-flawed theme of causation promulgated by the article, we are reminded of Arthur C. Clark's Three Laws, in particular the third law, expressed as: "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

Let us return to the proper view, the greatest-in-the-sport-ever anticipation, and accompany it with the reverence it deserves, for we have before us a standard of execution likely we will never be blessed with experiencing again.

When the great Bob Beamon broke the long jump world record by almost two feet in the 1968 Olympics, it was observed that he "jumped into the 21st century," indicating the perspective of his standard attainment will not be approached for a very long time.  

We have now Christopher Chen as the Bob Beamon of table tennis; how fortunate we live in his time.

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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It went viral; the kid lost the point anyway apparently (free hand grabbing the table):

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/teenager-table-tennis-player-delivers-viral-controversial-winner/news-story/ea950fd50ddc68dbb22b666abececcf2

From the ITTF Handbook:
Quote 2.10 A POINT 
2.10.1 Unless the rally is a let, a player shall score a point
2.10.1.11 if an opponent's free hand touches the playing surface;

Apparently grabbing the frame of the table is not illegal and we can't tell if the kid touched the playing surface.  However, his opponent did touch the playing surface with his free hand when he realized the kid's block was going to be a good return.
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It went viral; the kid lost the point anyway apparently (free hand grabbing the table):

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/teenager-table-tennis-player-delivers-viral-controversial-winner/news-story/ea950fd50ddc68dbb22b666abececcf2

The hand on the table had nothing to do with the point (the umpire didn't see the hand on the table) he lost the point because the other player returned the shot (it was an edgeball).

This was a match between my club and the club from Trondheim, Chen won that match overall. Great kid. Smile
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Originally posted by henningf henningf wrote:

Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

It went viral; the kid lost the point anyway apparently (free hand grabbing the table):

https://www.news.com.au/sport/sports-life/teenager-table-tennis-player-delivers-viral-controversial-winner/news-story/ea950fd50ddc68dbb22b666abececcf2

The hand on the table had nothing to do with the point (the umpire didn't see the hand on the table) he lost the point because the other player returned the shot (it was an edgeball).

This was a match between my club and the club from Trondheim, Chen won that match overall. Great kid. Smile
yes, we do not see that edge on video but we can infer it from not seeing the ball; from the video it could have been a side ball though, thanks for the precision.
I can't see the kid grabbing the table surface because that area is hidden by the top of the net but it would be natural a thing to do, 3 or 4 fingers on the table that pull and help the abs bringing the torso vertical while placing the paddle as he did. I think he did grab the table and we can see his left arm going up before the divine block, I do not see another reason to raise his left arm there.
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Umpire's lapse. The bigger Guy did lost the point, as slapped the table top with his free hand..   

https://youtu.be/017pMsvPrPk?t=10
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Originally posted by in2spin in2spin wrote:

https://twitter.com/olympicchannel/status/1067115153680936960 :)
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Saw some comments:

(1)  The big guy returns the ball which hits the edge. (That's a good return.) The big guy should get the point.
(2)  The big guy's free hand touched the table. (That's not good.)  The big guy should lose the point.

I think that the little guy should get the point.  What do you think?
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Btw, the big guy's free hand touched the table, but not during (or shortly after) his striking of the ball.
It was during when he ran from one side of the table to the other side. Long before he strikes the ball.
Is this legal?



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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

Originally posted by in2spin in2spin wrote:

https://twitter.com/olympicchannel/status/1067115153680936960 :)

Btw, the big guy's free hand touched the table, but not during (or shortly after) his striking of the ball.
It was during when he ran from one side of the table to the other side. Long before he strikes the ball.
Is this legal?



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If anyone wondered, the bigger guy (Ronny) won the point. In the match, there never was a discussion about the hand touching the table.
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Without stirring the pot, I'd like to know if the kid grabbed the top of the table with left hand fingers, I can see him pulling from that left hand and it makes it easier for his torso to come to vertical and then put the racket in place; he is clearly pulling from the top of the table and the most likely scenario is with fingers at 90 degrees between the top and the side. 
It does not take anything from the marvelous block and the insight to angle the blade that way, it's so unreal, on the fly!!! it's just that if the above is correct, it makes giving the point to the taller dude the right call since his own violation happens after but again, as everybody on the thread probably thinks, who cares?
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