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lovett2011
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Posted: 12/21/2018 at 3:35am |
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Icecream AZX i Icecream AZX FL Hope it will be helpful info for someone who is interested in Icecream AZX! Edited by lovett2011 - 01/10/2019 at 4:34am |
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Nice
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So the fh handle is orange?
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jpenmaster
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I think most players will play ALC/orange on the FH but depending on what you prefer some may play it the other way. There is no set FH/BH
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The alc according to xiom is kuch thicker to balance the blade that is why the apc side seem to be faster.
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Totally agree |
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Huh??
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jpenmaster
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I have one on the way from Korea . Hopefully I can give a detailed review soon. I have some Omega 7 Pro and T05 Hard/T05 to test on it.
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Rich L
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I'm curious to see how each Ice Cream blade compares to the Hayabusa ZXi, which is my all-time favorite blade. Still a little confused over which model, the AZX or the AZXi will be closer. If you watch Simon's video on You tube, he says that if you currently play a koto blade, you'll be better off with the AZX, and if you are a limba player, go with the AZXi. However, the Hyabusa ZXi has the Zephilium plies towards the middle like the AZXi, whereas the AZX has the Zephilium and Arylate plies close to the surface. Very confusing.
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Xiom Haybusa Zxi
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melaal
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I'm also little confused over
which model, I used Marcos Freitas ALC , limba outer but the ALC direct under 1st wood layer such as AZX not inner ????
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jpenmaster
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Right now only AZX is available . From the limited specs AZX is a Viscaria with a more controlled BH and AZXi is similar to a HL5 with a more controlled BH. Depending on total thickness, ply thickness,composite thickness and weight will depend if they are slower or faster than the 2 mentioned blades. I will have an AZX before New Years so hopefully I can give a review soon.
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Lightzy
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Looks to me like a heavily advertised niche product that probably isn't that great
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Xiom Haybusa Zxi
FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
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Yogi has a review of the AZX on TTD
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Xiom Haybusa Zxi
FH: Xiom Omega IV Elite BH: Xiom Omega VI Europe |
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jpenmaster
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Sounds like the 47.5 degree ESN rubbers will be the best set up for most players.
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kindof99
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Xiom has set prices for their blades ridiculously high. I don't think their previous feel series sell well. If they price these two blades over $200, it definitely is an off to the market.
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The azxi version probably might be have better control
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Unfortunately $150-$200+ is the going rate for a premium composite blade. Butterfly, Nittaku, Stiga, Xiom and others all have them in that price range even Chinese manufacturers like DHS offer blades over $200. None of them have an issue selling at that price so that's what we are stuck paying
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First, it's the most heavily advertised blade I've seen so far in the west, so that's a given as far as I'm concerned. Secondly, it's a niche kind of product because nobody really makes those and nobody has really yet to buy. Thirdly, no pros that I know of play with a hybrid blade. It certainly is no secret that such blades can be made, but nobody really seems to do it or buy it. So I figure, 1) heavily advertised, 2) niche product, 3) probably not that great That said, it definitely can be good, which is why I only said 'probably'. Maybe it's the wave of the future and all the pros will adopt this kind of setup within a couple of years, who knows. Quite probably if it's very effective. Edited by Lightzy - 12/25/2018 at 3:55pm |
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Mine will be here in the US on Thursday. I will have a 4 hour training session with it on Sunday. I should have a good feel for what it's all about by then. I will start with 07P and then switch it to T05 if I'm not happy.
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Received the blade today. Blade weighs 89g and frequency on both sides is 1600hz which is about 125hz higher than something like Viscaria and even a little higher than ZJK ZLC.
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Is that on a par with Carbonado 290? Has anyone frequency tested that one?
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Only had an hour or so with it tonight. It's well built and very balanced. The blade with rubbers feels light in the hand. It is fast and stiff but does offer feedback. The 2 sides have a slightly different feel and trajectory but it's not like 2 different blades, not that I expected that anyway. This is a pro level blade it's not the Viscaria FH with a more controlled BH that would be best for most players. It's a Super Viscaria (LOL) with a Timo ZLC BH. I found looping a little difficult but direct drives ,smashes and blocking very easy. I used Omega 7 Pro max thickness on both sides. With the trajectory of this set up T05 might be a better choice with its higher throw. I plan on playing with it again for a few hours on Sunday I should have it sorted out better after that.
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Simas
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That it is heavily advertised says nothing about the blade (except that it's a high margin product :D ). But for sure it is hard to imagine any pro playing with. Also, as Lightzy pointed, it's a niche product too. I'd say blade targets mid or mid-higher level players, who are an into trying new stuff and EJunking and have some extra cash, as 200USD it's on the upper price end.. High level amateurs I'd say don't need such stuff. They have their technique developed enough to make their way with the stuff they've been playing for years. Nevertheless, it is a very good thing that Xiomi invested money and knowledge into developing new stuff. More stuff, more variety (and that could be definitely called a new stuff when comparing to butterfly giving names to basically the same blades for years) is a great thing for TT enthusiasts
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Thanks for the offer . I have so many blades to test right now but maybe I will try it out later on.
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Back to the Xiom this blade does not work for me. It's too stiff .I like to play close and mid distance. At close range it's ok but at mid distance with O7P the throw is just way too low and long. There was just no margin of error.if the blade wasnt so stiff/fast I would try T05 for more of an arc but i would be wasting my time. If you like to drive,hit,smash close to the table or play short pips this might be a good blade for you
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what if you use the zlc side as fh?
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Doesn't really matter cause the blade is too stiff. You can feel the different hardness from side to side but the stiffness is based off the whole blade. It has the same pitch/frequency as a ZJK Super ZLC but is thicker..... my training partner liked it. My coach and I didn't. So like anything it will be personal preference.
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How thick is the blade
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