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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Also, stop thinking about the throw angles of rubbers and blades... Wink

Made me laugh!  But I'm a physics professor, so looking at things quantitatively and analyzing data is kind of what I do. 

Anyway, thanks again to all who chimed in.  I decided to order Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 2.0 and Xiom Vega Europe 2.0. I'll try them each with forehand and backhand and see how they go.
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Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Originally posted by colton colton wrote:

Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

Vega europe is a high throw rubber if you glue it on a high throw blade the whole setup will throw the ball too high beside that you will have to close the angle more on both side. IMHO something like nittaku fastarc s1 will work better on LSW.

According to https://revspin.net/rubber/, the Fastarc S-1 has an even higher throw than the Vega Europe.

Xiom Vega Europe - 4.6, medium throw
Nittaku Fastarc S-1 - 5.4, medium high throw

(I know pgpg told me to stop browsing revspin but I haven't taken that advice yet.)


Also, stop thinking about the throw angles of rubbers and blades... Wink

 

I would be the joker and say one ought to be knowing the properties of the rubber/blade. Equipment DOES make a difference as it makes it easier or more difficult to do something. That allows a player to select something that gives him/her the best chances of landing shots they do the most if they selected equipment that suits what they do the most.

On a contrary opinion, (one that totally agrees with pgpg) worrying about any of that is utter nonsense if a player is in the phase of developing strokes, tactics, and experience. One is better off getting middle of the road equipment slanted towards ease of control. Every company makes several of this class. Takes the worry out of everything and makes the range of choices easy to understand and high percentage to get right.

Still, it is mostly a free world and TTers can quadruple over-analyze things and obsess, worry, and fuss over the decision to the extent of legal insanity if they choose.

That seems to be a modern joy of TT.
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I see OP posted at the exact second I did (and beet me by .001 seconds).

I believe his choices are quite middle of the road and will be very well suited.
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Originally posted by colton colton wrote:

Originally posted by pgpg pgpg wrote:

Also, stop thinking about the throw angles of rubbers and blades... Wink

Made me laugh!  But I'm a physics professor, so looking at things quantitatively and analyzing data is kind of what I do. 

Anyway, thanks again to all who chimed in.  I decided to order Yasaka Rakza 7 Soft 2.0 and Xiom Vega Europe 2.0. I'll try them each with forehand and backhand and see how they go.

Ah, a fellow physicist! Clap

Here is a thing - when analyzing data it's helpful to understand what is the actual data generating process (survey of random strangers of unknown TT ability about properties that are not well defined and subjective in nature).  

Sorry for somewhat combative attitude.
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Physics.....Im not a physicist but work at Fermilab building the experiments. I am currently working on PIP2 and SLAC. Watching your BH have you ever thought about long pips? It looks like you prefer to chop everything to your BH. I saw you killed a few high balls at the table but that's easy with pips as well.
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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

Physics.....Im not a physicist but work at Fermilab building the experiments. I am currently working on PIP2 and SLAC. Watching your BH have you ever thought about long pips? It looks like you prefer to chop everything to your BH. I saw you killed a few high balls at the table but that's easy with pips as well.

Are you playing Aurora Cup in 3 weeks, by any chance?
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Yeah I will be there. I'm in the U2000 bracket
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I have Liu Shiwen ZLF. I use Butterfly Rozena on FH. Excellent in every way. Not as fast as T05. So a bit better control.  
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I am playing the Liu Shiwen ZLF and find the following setup fine for me and I are also around 1400 - 1500 Level  ...

Butterfly Liu Shiwen ZLF  FL  86 Gr
- Rasanter Grip  2.1  FH  Black
- Rasanter R50  2.0  BH  Red
Xiom Ice Cream AZXi FL
- FH ALC: Butterfly Dignics 2.1 Red
- BH ZLC: Butterfly Dignics 2.1 Black

Xiom Ice Cream AZXi FL
- FH ALC: Adidas P7 Max Red
- BH ZLC: Rasanter R53 2.0 Black
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Good commentary overall, particularly given the 1400 rating.  The Liu Shiwen is very flexible relative to it's speed, therefore better attacking players will typically want medium rubber on their backhands, and harder rubber on their forehands.  
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