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    Posted: 01/06/2019 at 10:13pm
Sorry, I can't get the embed function to work correctly.

BTY just released two short teasers for both products.

The HT ALC is a slght modification - it's a slightly oversized innerforce ALC with different dimensions (158mm x 152mm).

The Dignics though is very interesting - it's supposedly made for a quicker to the ball, driving style for the plastic ball era (a la Harimoto).  As for as I can gather from Google Translate, it's intended for Chiquitas and other modern strokes where you take the ball early.

Supposedly, Mizutani, Lin Gaoyuan and Wong Chun Ting are using it.

Dignics 05:

https://youtu.be/cQMDxMi6JpI
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/product/dignics/05/

Harimoto Innerforce ALC

https://youtu.be/S1igDNFbCEU
https://www.butterfly.co.jp/products/detail/36991.html


Edited by opinari - 01/06/2019 at 10:26pm
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The blade might become a very big deal, those mm added to the head will enhance blocking control and shock absorbtion in general will favor longer rallies, better dwell and might satisfy A LOT of people.
Maybe I am carried away, the original IF ZLC had a bigger head too and it was not such a huge deal but somehow I expect those characteristics and the HT name to create a new standard in blade size (on that link they write "Blade size 158 × 152 mm (regular)"). I always liked oversized with total weight control (e.g MPS 88g) so I am just wishful thinking :) 
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Here you go



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Wait for jpenmaster list it for sale at a big discount in a month
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Great rubber... only $99.95 
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what is the center ply of harimoto blade, kiri or ayous?
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The blade wood is the same as DHS H301, which costs about $50 after discount at TT11.

Curious to see how much it costs from BTY.
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I thought it had Limba as a top ply? Then it wouldn't be the h301
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The top layer looks like Koto.
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Option 1    Koto, Limba, ALC, KIRI, ALC, Limba, Koto  (Timo Alc with inner carbon)

Option 2     Koto, Limba, ALC, Ayous, ALC, Limba, Koto

Option 3    Limba, Limba, ALC, Ayous, ALC, Limba, Limba (Innerforce ALC)
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This rubber is what I'm waiting for, cant wait to try :)
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Checked again and it definitely looks like limba
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After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?
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Hmmm, option 1 is the construction of my custom blade. :-)
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For me is the best option!    and it is possible otres options, (4,5,6...)

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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?

Hi,

OK, so I'm confused.  Is this the new Spring Sponge X?

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?


<font size="3" color="#0033ff">Hi,
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<font size="3" color="#0033ff">OK, so I'm confused.  Is this the new Spring Sponge X?
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<font size="3" color="#0033ff">Thanks,


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Originally posted by albert19 albert19 wrote:

For me is the best option!    and it is possible otres options, (4,5,6...)

Who made you your blade?

It was built by Dimitri at http://www.dattblades.com, mine is http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-joe7lj6p3.

It's my second one; I had it built after damaging my first one (http://www.dattblades.com/?lightbox=dataItem-jezjd66a), but Dimitri actually managed to repair that one as well.  Good as new, and now my backup blade.  They're not identical, the balance is slightly different (intentionally) as is the handle shape (also intentionally), as well as the outer ply on the BH (Anigre on the first attempt, but I settled on Koto for both sides the second time around).


Edited by YoAss - 01/07/2019 at 8:13am
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Originally posted by Pr1nc Pr1nc wrote:

After little research about Dignics 05, its a Tenergy 05 for new ball era?


Cool, after that tenergy 05 will cost only 49 euros 😁
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Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?

The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.
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Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.
or Boll’s game
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I wonder how far that new HT blade will be from the Apolonia that, without ever trying it more than ONE minute (with T05/64 borrowed at a club), seemed to me the best ever Butterfly blade; not good enough to let my 5-ply all wood Hinoki Ghost down but good enough to notice a clear winner. 
Forget about the Garaydia series and other Hadraw gimmicks, the Apolonia is the only major release in the past years in terms of relevance. The Freitas was so promising but felt short. I am so curious about the slightly oversized HT blade, it seems like a real crossroads in Butterfly's time table.

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most of the original innerforce blades were 158x152.
the original dhs hurricane long v (a copy of innerforce alc) was also that dimension I think.

tenergy is a heavy rubber, so is boosted h3, so they started selling those blades in 157x150.


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Originally posted by pingpungpeng pingpungpeng wrote:

most of the original innerforce blades were 158x152.
the original dhs hurricane long v (a copy of innerforce alc) was also that dimension I think.

tenergy is a heavy rubber, so is boosted h3, so they started selling those blades in 157x150.




Long 5 is not a copy of innerforce I tried both
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Originally posted by AndySmith AndySmith wrote:

Originally posted by FruitLoop FruitLoop wrote:

Wonder what properties it will have that make it different from T05. Faster and lower throw?


The info on the website says slightly faster with a higher arc.


Interesting. Higher throw than T05! Insane. I wonder how this fits the close to the table attacking game of Harimoto etc as rumoured in theory. Seems like it would more suit Mizutani types.
or Boll’s game


Wasnt mizutani playing with lemuria?
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O have tried many blades. IMO freitas alc is the best blades ever from btf. Alc, but thicker limba top wood. it has the advantages of boll alc and innerforce alc.
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Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

 
Cool, after that tenergy 05 will cost only 49 euros 😁

LOL LOL LOL

Harimoto is scheduled for May


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