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koshkin
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My overall impression are not too different from what is in that video.
There is clearly more topsheet grip and it is a little more linear at low speed. At speed, it plays about how I would expect Tenergy 05 to play if it had a 40 degree sponge. ILya
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timoboll89
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is the feeling harder or softer compared to tenergy 05?
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h0n1g
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Here are my initial impressions after two sessions, mix of drills and practice matches. Rating of opponents and self vary between 1900 and 2050.
I usually play with either Fastarc G1/S1 or Gewo Nexxus EL Pro 48 and my blades of choice are the Xiom ZXIII and the Nittaku Acoustic, both are 88g in weight. Impressions are from playing the Dignics05 2.1mm on the Acoustic. The main comparison will be to the Fastarc G1 and the Tenergy 05, both i've played extensively on these blades.
Based on my first impressions, the Dignics05 seems like another winner for Butterfly. I agree that the price is borderline insane but I have to say that i think it does buy you one of the absolute best rubbers for a varied, looping attacking game and one of the very few rubbers that combine strength in short and block game with monster spin and great speed. |
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Nightsky
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I hope you're not mixing up japanese and european hardness scales...
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momus
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this is by far, the most accurate and insightful review I've read!
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h0n1g
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I'm not. I just typed it wrong. It should read "reported 40 degrees".
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slevin
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Sounds like you are mixing it up, h0n1g: BTY 36 deg ~ ESN 46 deg, IMHO.
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h0n1g
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You are correct sir, sorry
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Nightsky
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I agree, slevin. I also believe that h0n1g was (unfortunately) mixing it up. Typos can happen, yes. Butterfly lists Dignics 05 at 40° on its scale (probably Shore A). On the ("european") scale which ESN uses, thats about 50/51°... But claiming in the same sentence that Dignics 05 feels like 45 - 48° would mean that D 05 is even harder that T 05 Hard (43° on japanese scale ~ 53/54° on ESN) which in turn is significantly harder than regular T 05 (36° ~ 46/47° ESN). Both T 05 Hard and Spinart (48° on japanese scale) are hard (and heavy) as a brick. None of the early reviews indicate that D 05 is really that hard. I do believe that it is necessary to point that out if we are talking about sponge hardness, given that not all brands/producers use the same scale...
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h0n1g
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Sorry, as I said, it mixed it up. The comment still stands that it feels harder than its classed. If you calculation is correct and T05 is 46-47, I'd say feel wise D05 feels more like a 49-50
My bad about the confusion Edited by h0n1g - 04/23/2019 at 12:25am |
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Nightsky
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OK, well if it feels like 49-50° (on ESN) to you, than it is pretty much right where Butterfly claims it to be...40° (jap) +10 or 11 = 50/51° ESN (and therefore just a little bit harder than G-1 and Nexxus EL 48). By the way, these are not my "calculations". Some brands compare the different hardness scales on the package of some of their products. Tibhar, for example. On the backside of the package of an Evolution rubber one can compare "japanese" and "european" hardness scales. Sure enough, most brands work oftentimes with marketing nonsense, but at least in this case they have no reason to "fool" their customers. Tibhar lists the MX-P at 35 - 36.5° on japanese scale and 45.7 - 47.7° on european scale, basically confirming that one has to just add 10 -11° to the jap scale in order to come up with what ESN primarily uses.
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ericd937
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I just put a sheet of Dignics on and had my first session. Initial impression is really good. It's quite fast, but it has a massive dwell. Really good grip and control. My initial feeling is that it plays most similar to T80, but Dignics is better. I will update after I play more. Also, I didn't boost it and used Dhs #15 glue. Dignics is plenty lively, I wouldn't recommend boosting a new sheet or use any glue that would make the sponge expand.
Edited by ericd937 - 04/30/2019 at 5:11am |
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RDinTN
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Sooooo... I must be the outlier in that Dig.05 is HORRIBLE. I use a ZLC(FH) / ULC(BH) Custom blade and this rubber has NO dwell, NO feeling and really unpredictable. Granted I was using MX-P prior to putting this sheet on and the backhand really likes that feel and throw angle.
- Dig 05 was not good for passive or active blocking - Hard to control on BH flip and banana - Jumpy on opening on underspin (when trying to be spinny) - Dig 05 was okay at quick off the bounce spin loops vs. topspin - serves were spinny but seem to go longer than normal - off the table counter loops - okay this felt the best and were LOADED with spin! So should have I gave the sheet a quick / thin layer of tuner?? Worst $100+ dollars I've spent since that last speeding trap ticket.. just saying
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bard romance
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What's your playing level and style? |
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RDinTN
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Well, hard to say what the level is as I am 6 months out of a hip replacement and I mainly coach. But I have beaten 2100 level USATT players in competition in the last 2 years and am lucky enough to practice with some 2100 - 2500 level guys. Style is controlled counter attacker, but forehand looping skills are pretty solid and the serves can be pretty good with the H3 .
I've been playing 30 years, but there were some breaks with kids and jobs in the first 15, but seriously training / coaching the last 15. ITTF L2 and Certified Ref.
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bard romance
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That's interesting. Most of the more advanced players I've heard from had totally opposite impressions. It is definitely a different feel from MXP though so perhaps it needs more time to get used to?
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qpskfec
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Might be that counterfeit product has hit the streets.
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RDinTN
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100% not counterfeit..
I'm going to switch it to a clipper and see if it calms it down. It was suggested to me to try it on my forehand instead of the backhand.
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h0n1g
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Perhaps its the custom blade? I mean honestly, I don't know how anyone could say it has no dwell, thats a really weird observation that goes against 99.9% of impressions I've read so far.
Granted, D05 is very different from MX-P and MX-S but thats an impression I'm taking with a big grain of salt to be honest with you.
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kyle90
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how many hours did you use it for? A lot of rubbers need time to break in.
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slevin
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While Dignics feels softer than MX-P, it has harder sponge than MX-P. That might be too hard on ZLC / ULC blade. Also, there is a chance you have had a bad glue job.
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hunkeelin
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Dignics 05 is garbage. It holds no advantage over t05. t05 speed and ease of use is the reason why it's the king of rubbers.
So right now the general consensus is d05 better at serve and short, slower, spinner, flatter. Oh wait, that sounds like h3 neo/ xiom vega pro.... it's only $40 bucks too not $105. Edited by hunkeelin - 05/04/2019 at 3:51am |
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ericd937
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Honestly, I find Dignics way better than T05. On my Hinoki ALC blade, Dignics is much easier to use than T05 or T05 Hard. More dwell, better grip, equal spin on most shots. Because of low bounciness of T05 Hard, I did feel like it was easier to generate heavy spin on service and still keep the services low and short. With enough time to adjust, I would guess D05 will be equally as good in this department. I like D05 a lot, whereas I don't really care for T05 much and hated T05 Hard. I'm surprised I havent seen anyone comparing T80 and D05. My guess is that people who like T80 will like D05.
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liXiao
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I do agree that you have to give it time and possibly adjust your stroke to accommodate it. When I first started playing with it I was worried I had wasted my money because all my shots were going off the table (and granted, this was the first time I had played since Christmas, and with a new blade). But by the end of the night I was really ripping shots with this thing. It's a nasty rubber once you get used it, likely due to the fact that the trajectory is so much lower than Tenergy. I had tried Tenergy 05 on my backhand and I hated it, because the angle was so high and the trajectory was so long I just couldn't keep on the table (even using slower blades). RDinTN, I really suggest sticking with it for a time. I also noticed that I was hitting a lot of flicks high and out early on but I was able to adjust easily enough. The ability to just nullify backspin so easily is probably is best trait, and this will surely prove to be another nightmare for choppers. It's absolutely a very demanding rubber to use but the benefits are high if you are a higher level player. The only reason I wouldn't stick with it is the price (although prott.vip has it for $72 and other other foreign shops sell it for much cheaper than in the US) and that Hurricane 3 plays so well on the Viscaria I'd like to try a softer provincial on my backhand and see how that is.
Now it's just a matter to see how the rubber ages over time, both from a performance and durability standpoint. If I only have to buy twice a year, I'd consider switching to it on both sides.
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gromousse
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Hello ! I am French and I often read your forum whereas I don’t reply everytime.
I am an average player in France, ranked 1300 when you start with 500 pts and GAUZY must be around 3000. You play in National League around 2000 pts. I play usually with H3neo in the forehand, T05fx in the backhand on a Ultimate 2 OSP blade. I tried first 2 dignics on a second U2, 2,1FH / 1,9BH. I didn’t kept the dignics in FH because I am too used to my H3. The D05 was fine for opening loops, spin and control but I have all of that with my H3 and still able to loop harder with the H3 to kill the point. But in the backhand... wow ! I never had such efficiency ! My best stroke is my BH topspin and with D05 it seems that I cannot make any mistake, my topspin is loaded of spin and my opponents can’t manage it...they go out or struggle with the ball to keep it on the table while I can do 10 loops if I want to ! This rubber has the best dwell time that I know and I played with H3, T05, T25, fastarc G1... and only H3 can compete with the spin of D05, whereas it’s so easier to control in service returns, pushes, blocks than a T05. I was surprised because the D05 is slower than I expected. Too slow for my FH. Perhaps something about the angle bat because sometimes I could make really fast loops... but didn’t really know how, and didn’t manage to do it again... But in the BH I have already forgotten the T05fx I had for years... the D05 allows me to play like I never could play before and I play tabletennis since 30 years... On trainings all my partners told me I make no mistake in the BH and my ball is really hard to control, even if they know my game perfectly. And for my first match in championship I destroyed my opponent 4/0 when he had 80pts more than me. He could never escape from my BH, I could even flip his serves over the table and keep the davantage in the point even at mid distance... also in the BH ! Impossible for me with any other rubber ! Definitly D05 is a killer for my backhand... perhaps too slow in the other side... Timo Boll and FZD seem to think the same ! It cost too much money of course... but my choice is done !
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BRS
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I got to hit with a friend's D05 today. Feels like tenergy to me. Maybe some subtle difference fron t05. But nothing magic. I wasn't tempted to give up the four sheets of fastarc g-1 I get for the price of one Dignics.
At my level, 1950 usatt, I think I would play worse with D05 than g1. If I was 2350 the results might be different.
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I guess you are still playing with short pips on your backhand, so I assume that you tried your friend's Dignics only for your forehand. Is this correct?
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Having used D05 for a month now it's real advantages over T05 if you call them that are ease in the short game , service, service return and extreme spin variation .You can spin it up or knock all the spin off with D05. I am also coming to the conclusion D05 might be blade dependant to get the results you are looking for.
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h0n1g
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what’s the best blade you’ve tested it on so far?
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Just chipping in here - I really like Dignics on thinner, more flexible blades. Really nice on an OSP Virtuoso. Also solid on Sweden Extra (dull feel though) and a Waldner Allplay (too slow overall, but still a titan when close-in). It seemed really inert, a little dead feeling, on stiffer blades to me.
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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