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SmackDAT
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Posted: 04/10/2019 at 4:26pm |
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If you boost and then take off all the residue of the initial glue layer/booster, do you still get the same effect when gluing onto the blade? I did this with one of my Fastarcs do reduce the weight, but will this cause any adverse effects? Or it is purely the dome that gives the booster effect? Would like a detailed answer to this as I'm confused thanks!
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SmackDAT
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Hi fatt, I had a different thought which was, the booster liquid still has to be present for there to be an effect. So when I take the glue layer (with the booster liquid solifieed on it), the boost effect disappears. Basically, I messed up a glue job so I had to take off the layer. So if it's only the dome that causes the boosting effect: shouldn't all boosters have the same effect in essence? But I do agree with you as I still feel the boost with my Fastarc. |
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No no, that is a perfect explanation. So it is actually the sponge which 'contains' the booster - and the more domed it is, the more boosted it is! Just want to ask if anyone can validate this although it's probably true! So a hypothetical example that the same rubber is treated with the different boosters, but the dome/reaction is 50% curved, the rubber will hypothetically be boosted by the same 'amount'?
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SmackDAT
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The only issue I have with this is that, why doesn't everyone just take the glue layer off after boosting to reduce the weight of the bat? Especially the CNT/professional scene? I see them glue it with the booster/glue layer still there - maybe they like the extra weight but idk, that's why I asked.
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stiltt
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Some people think that the boosting process is easier to go through if we apply the wbg 1st. I forget the rationale, probably because deep inside I consider the idea total BS and I don't want to even think about it. Maybe they think it will make the WBG more even across the sponge, maybe they think the booster will penetrate the sponge slower so it won't damage it...again I think some people with credibility said something once and everybody followed by validating the crap in an echo chamber like here.
I stopped boosting a log time ago but when I was I did not care about gluing 1st and all the problems I had were incompetence, not because I needed to apply the WBG 1st. If you boost the G-1, talk to rocketman222, he boosts it VERY LIGHTLY. In fact, the best results I ever got with G-1 and FTL is with 2 VERY LIGHT coats of booster, one coat being just what it takes to make the whole sponge humid and light reflective and no more. It's harder than we think because the sport is about doing that everywhere evenly. After 2 coats and 2 days, the morning of the 3rd day you can hold your rubber sponge up with 3 fingers under the topsheet and when you move those 3 fingers up and down an inch or 2, the whole rubber woobles as if it was alive. YOU DO NOT WANT A DOME WITH THE G-1 at least that's just me, I used to boost it so it woobles like a new T05 when I do the same wooble test and for the G-1, that happens when the reverse dome is gone (sponge up, corners going up) but the dome has not started coming up yet, 2 very light coats are enough for that. Of course ymmv, I've seen you playing and your speed might handle more boosting.
Edited by fatt - 04/10/2019 at 7:30pm |
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hleett
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Does the booster have any damaging effect on the blade over a long time?
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SmackDAT
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Hey fatt, Yeah idk I think the glue layer just makes it easier and stops a bit of absorption, for the same inevitable result to happen anyway. I just took the glue layer off both T05H and G1, and it still feels the same without the glue/booster residue! I did one medium/thick layer on the T05H and 2 thin/medium layers on the G1. Both feel extremely nice and not overboosted, so props to me for guessing the best amount of booster haha. The T05H got a slight dome, and the G1 was opposite to domed (maybe due to slight shrinkage) so when I boosted it, it went back to normal/very very slight dome. I think I will boost like this in future - one glue layer and then put booster on - then take off all the residue - then 2 glue layers like usual. I have boosted a new Nittaku H3N Turbo Orange with 2 thick layer and it's curled quite significantly (definitely not reverse dome though). I'd like to see if that plays nice, I'll update you when it's undomed enough for me to glue!
Edited by SmackDAT - 04/10/2019 at 8:19pm |
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MLfan
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Pros don't take the glue layer off, because the racket plays better with booster in the glue. With booster in the glue (i.e. from applying booster over the glue layer), the layer of glue becomes "softer," and the rubber "bites" the ball better. In contrast, if there is no booster within the glue (i.e. applying booster before glue), the rubber would feel "harder" after boosting, and the ball would leave the racket more quickly, resulting in less of a "bite" effect.
So regarding the original question, peeling off the initial boosting layer does not change the quality of the boosted sponge itself, as booster has already penetrated the sponge. But the racket feeling changes, due to the aforementioned reasons. So the answer is NO, you do not get the same effect if you were to peel off that initial layer. Pros really want that layer of booster-mixed-in-glue.
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SmackDAT
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Is there is a significant difference if the glue layer is taken off? Seems to be fine for me without the initial boosting layer, but I can see why pros leave it on - have you tried both ways of boosting MLfan?
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chop4ever
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By using Phoenix Reviver, there is not much difference bwt having residue glue or not, however: - If you take off all booster-glue, then your bat is ~4grs lighter, it could be a huge advantage for your flexibility. -1 for blocking. - If you let the glue on, then you could find your stroke is more powerful due to the heavy head. It could be quite easy to block or counter attack as the ball stays longer on the topsheet. - If you glue it straight away when it is still domed, especially H3, then you will get speed glue feeling but it would fade out after 1 week. Of course u need good glue. Nittaku FineZip could do this job. - I have found if I glue the rubber early, it could lead to inconsistency and feeling change (from good to normal). If i have to practice for a month to gain my skills back, then play important tournament, I would wait for it to be flat (it takes 1-2 weeks if it is Phoenix Reviver).
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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MLfan
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I have tried both ways, and I also happen to like my racket more when there's some booster in the glue. To me, there is quite a significant difference, esp. with "biting" the ball and not having it leave my racket so quickly. But I think this may be more of an individual thing, and can depend on play style as well. If you tend to hit the ball more, then you may prefer glue without booster in it. I think I like having the booster within my glue because I feel like I have more control with the ball, and that the racket feels like it has more "base" power when I loop. So the answer to your question is that it depends haha. I also don't mind the "extra weight" that comes with boosting on the glue, although it may just be that I'm used to it.
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SmackDAT
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Bump
Is it advisable to take the residue off? It's always so hard to glue with the booster residue that I can only get a good glue job when I remove the residue first. Anyone have experiences with differences in performance?
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SmackDAT
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Bump!
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AMonteiro
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I prefer without glue residue..
I usually aply only one layer of booster (TRF) on ESN rubbers + 2-3 layers of glue after the sponge is dry. Booster over these 2-3 layers + more glue would add too much weight ans sometimes I found TRF over glue the rubber (ESN 50º) gets kinda mushy. So, I always clean the glue residue when I used to reboost. But actually I only use booster one time and let the rubber glued untill my next pair of rubbers.. 1 par each 7-8 weeks.
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hleett
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I left the glue residue on the rubber. My 3 year old T05FX shrunk to 147x153 with dying sponge and rubber. After 3 days of boosting it expanded to 150x155 back but weight increased by 4g. The sponge got rejuvenated and the rubber got a new life and it play better than when it was new. I also saved $70 by not needing to by a new T05.
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SmackDAT
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Nice. Does anyone else do this?
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