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tommyzai 
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What is the spinniest rubber for serves? I'm talking about serious ball rotation that causes anxiety and fear for opponents. ;-)
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IDK, but T05 set the standard for me.
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I'll grant this is subjective.
I can only answer from my own experience. DHS Hurricane 3 National Blue Sponge is fantastic at this. Better at it than a whole bunch of rubbers I tried, including Tenergy 05. FdT
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I use Rasant Grip ... But they dont make them anymore ...
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Any good chinese rubber.
For fast serves european/japanese are better
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dignics 05
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Hurricane rubbers have crazy spin, much more than any grippy rubber!
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Tacky > grippy. For grippy rubbers, D05 > T05 > MXS > all the others I've tried.
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Dignics 05 pro
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Honestly, once you get past intermediate and well into advanced level or higher, no serves cause fear and anxiety. At higher levels you don't often win points outright with the serve. Its more about setting up the third ball.
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tommyzai
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True. It's about setting up for the 3rd ball. Very few pros teed off on Ma Lin's serve. They often brushed or pushed back, which enabled Ma's 3rd ball attack. I'm not expecting to ace advanced players, but I'd sure like to set them up for the KILL! One thing I've finally come to realize about this sport . . . making the opponent uncomfortable is the key to success. Crazy spinny serves with good placement will make most players uneasy.
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It depends on how high your serving level is with your opponent's serve receive level. Even Harimoto ate An's serves for breakfast during the WTTC... Btw I believe An is also using H3 national rubber for his FH! For me the key is an extremely spinny, fear inducing backspin serve, if you have that then your sidetopspin and no spin serves are gonna give you a lot of sweet popups to finish!
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TG2 Neo or MX-S for me.
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It all depends on how you strike the ball (on serves), some strokes are optimised for non-tacky rubbers, some for tacky rubbers. For me it's Joola Golden Tango or Victas 401. |
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IMHO the real answer to you question is ... any modern rubber. If you have advanced serves and know not only the basics but understand nuances , i.e. why, when, where, how.. placement, spin, speed on serves. you would cause some serious anxiety and fear regardless of what rubber you use. Some of our coaches train (as in teach) with worn rubbers and they can produce unreal spin even with those. Not only spin but also deception, so if you misread their serve just a tiny little bit - it pops up for an easy loop. At highest levels many people often serve deceptive no spin while trying to emulate heavy under motion. Being able to serve super heavy under is important, only to serve light under/no spin a couple serves later
 I would suggest to read a couple books written by one of our coaches, Larry Hodges... Serving is an art and honestly the rubber doesn't matter as much as the skill.
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Posted: 05/09/2019 at 12:44am |
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Improved technique will certainly help, but that can be enhanced by the rubber. Hence, this thread! ;-)
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From my arsenal of rubbers the TG3 Neo clearly stands out while serving. I am sure with H3 will be even better
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Years back I did a detailed comparison of DHS rubbers, and from what I remember: TG2 was similar to H3 TG3 was similar to H2 The options have expanded over the years . . . Neo, Blue Turbo Sponge, Pro, Provincial, National, etc.
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Practice is orders of magnitude more important than the rubber. I do not understand how tacky rubbers are more spinny that grippy ones with good sponge. It is all I can do to get a chinese tacky rubber to clear the net it I graze it correctly. (I do not boost). I get much better spin by engaging the sponge on non-tacky rubber. My experience.
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tommyzai
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Posted: 05/09/2019 at 2:53pm |
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Why not do both? Practice/Train/Skill-build AND get best rubber for serves.
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Don't know why people say tacky rubber serve is more spinnier than grippy rubber. The dignics 05 is the current king in terms of serve spin. Unless you can get a real h3 national (h3 national is actually not that tacky it's more grippy than tacky).
Any about people saying t05 serve have spin? LOLOLOLOL Edited by hunkeelin - 05/09/2019 at 2:59pm |
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Tacky Chinese rubbers by a mile, at least the way I serve...
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For grippy rubbers, most will probably say Tenergy or its clones. For tacky rubbers, what would you suggest? So far, there's a lot of praise for H3 and TG2.
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I decided to buy a 39º Blue Sponge H3 Neo from Robin.w. Compared to eBay and other online options, his price and service is the best!
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Be careful with this double-edged sword.. yes, this thing will be wicked spinny when new. Your serves will likely have more spin. Howerver, it will also be ridiculously sensitive when you receive serves. Just be careful committing to something like this.. test it and take your time
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Thanks for the warning. Agreed. In this sport, if you get one thing, you sacrifice another. Many of the blade/rubber ratings are deceiving. How can something rate: Speed = 10, Spin = 10, Control - 10? I mean, if the thing is crazy fast and/or spinny, how can it also have great control? Yeah, a spinny rubber will be sensitive to spin. That's where my LP on BH will have to help out.
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Also you have to deal with all the spin coming back on the third ball. Makes it hard to follow up that serve.
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Grippy loose grip fast whip serve rubber does it for me... I don't care if it is H3 or Aurus, I'm gunna get my heavy spin when I want it... and next to no spin when I pull the rug.
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Hi,
I have forgotten: In this context, is stickiness a synonym for tackiness or gripiness? Thanks,
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I'd say sticky and tacky are synonyms.
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