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pingpungpeng
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So after viscaria + t05 After joola rhyzer + tibhar chila After donic persson powerplay + donic coppa gold After dhs long 5 + t05 You name it, I tried it.... I went to the slowest equipment on planet earth. Tibhar lebesson, sanwei t88-I fh, sanwei target bh. And yesterday I lost to all the guys who have a similar level to mine. 3-0, 3-1 It wasn't very close. Conclusion? Equipment DOES NOT MATTER. I can play with anything inverted and it doesn't make a difference. The difference is how often I train and how intensively I do. There, I said the truth, now you can start talking about mjamja's shadow tt in the toilet followed by kayaking in the amazonas and getting his racket eaten by a crocodile.
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purpletiesto
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But you didn't try dignics... How can you be so sure?
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serr
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So you went for a slower racket and immediately started losing. That implies equipment does matter, I don't know what your logic here is.
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pingpungpeng
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No, I played with the slow setup many times. In the beginning I thought maybe it made a small difference, cause I had a couple of good victories (I always play with the same guys inthe club) Yesterday it was clear. It doesn't matter. What matters is how often I play, how much I train, how fast I am, how agile I am...
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Ieyasu
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Yep... just watch Lubomir Pistej play with a hard bat. I think he could destroy most forum members with it.
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benfb
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The sentence is incomplete. It should say "Equipment does not matter for ME" (meaning you). I can think of many people who's playing style is not much affected by choice of rubber. In fact, mjamja's recent posts of FH choice of rubber (it doesn't seem to matter which he uses) may reflect that for *him* and "his style*, the choice of rubber doesn't matter. Even in that case, there are limits; all the rubbers he's tried have sticky top sheets and I'm not sure how it would affect his game if he changed to something radically different. The real point is that the choice of rubbers for amateurs is very personal, because our styles and techniques tend to be very unique to each of us.
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Baal
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I would say that equipment matters in that sufficiently bad equipment choices can make you worse. I would also say that there are gazillions of blades and rubbers made for pretty much the same kind of player and that given a bit of time to get used to the subtle changes needed to accommodate the properties of any one blade rubber combination, the following will happen: You will still be you.
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vanjr
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well said. equipment matters. training matters more. you can make things worse, but lots of equipment choices that are more similar than dissimilar.
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fmarek
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Please someone explain this person that there are 2 camps out there:
C: tacky hard "dead" rubber + flexible blade E: grippy bouncy rubber + stiff blade. People would do mixes and variations to compensate for their weaknesses and to emphasise strengths. Jumping in between these two classic categories is not gonna work "out of the box". In that sense equipment choice matter a lot. I agree with OP to great extend that t05 or Dignic or Rakza (you name your tensor) - it does not matter as long as you are in the category E. Similarly, Hurricane or 729 or Sanwei - all have minor differences and easily adjusted in 2 weeks time. But you make sure to stay in category C. Who needs training these days LOL !? Ask forum member how to deal with spin and off you go. Oh, foot work. Right. Well screw it, just buy another faster racket ;) P.S. People are asking / inviting me to join competitions season. My response is - "not yet, I rather spend all these fee money with my coach then come back next season and beat you having Sanwei FEXTRA ($23) blade and Yinhe Mercury 2 rubbers ($7 x 2) |
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pingpungpeng
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which leads me to truth number 2.
it doesn't matter if this season I'm training like a maniac, if I spent 5000 dollars on private training, if I went to 3 training clinics. if next season I barely played I will suck regardless of the training I did the previous year and whatever equipment I am using at the moment. what matters is how much I trained/played/how fit I am close to the point in time when I am playing. close I mean 1 month ago or less. training done in previous years helps a bit, but it has much much much less weight than recent training time. now you can go back to talking about which blade is good for the 9th ball when the air is humid and I am playing with a nittaku 2 star abs airbag polykamousious ball.
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wilkinru
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Hmm. Well if someone put in a lot of work at one point and gained a greater understanding/ability in TT...is it like a riding bike? I think so. I think once you get that better forehand (or whatever) you never really lose it. What the training up to the event does is make sure the contact is solid, timing is correct, equipment adjustments and over all TT fitness. Equipment matters to me - a little bit. I can't use Chinese inverted rubber (or pips or anti). My counter-hitting and pushing just dies. I'm used to the euro/jp catapult. Nothing wrong with Chinese rubber, but it is just a little too different to quickly switch. Now given practically any inverted euro/jp rubber I pretty much play the same and I'm sure could adjust in a few hours and in that sense, you are quite right. Body, footwork, ball reading, returning, serving, all of that matters so much more. |
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Fulanodetal
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For a beginner trying to learn to loop properly, it would be an impossible task if he/she was using this equipment:
Try looping with these things...its impossible for a beginner. How can you teach looping to someone if the equipment does not allow the person to loop? EQUIPMENT DOES MATTER! Otherwise we would all be using the same freaking bat and the same freaking rubbers. The less expensive ones. Yes at some point the difference is minimal. But for a pro, those differences, even if imperceptible to the casual club player, mean a lot! Yes they can beat a casual club player with an iphone or a sandal, whatever,but when they are facing another pro, equipment plays an important role. FdT |
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SmackDAT
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I think the word you are all looking for is diminishing returns
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SmackDAT
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+1
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pingpungpeng
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I'm only talking about inverted rubbers. I said it many times....
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FruitLoop
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It does matter but just, once you get into the "reasonable" realm of proper equipment it does not matter much.
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TT newbie
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Of course equipment matters, it makes a big change in the strokes a player must execute to win points.
I have a very clear example, my main setup is Ovtcharov Carbospeed + Omega V Tour + T05. But I wanted to try a backup blade I have (Ma Lin Carbon) and glued an unboosted H3N + AK47 Yellow. This thing simply did not have power enough to win the points I´m used to do. So, I was forced to put more power and errors were multiplied. Lost 2 matches in a row to my practice partner, whose level is the same of mine. Then got back to my main setup and won the third match winning points the way I always do.
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pingpungpeng
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Well of course you need time to get used to the new equipment. But after you do, you might find nothing has changed. Today played some more with the setup of the humble man. Lebesson, t88-I, target Won some, lost some.... In the end, nothing has changed.
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Basquests
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They need to teach rational thinking and the scientific method at school.
A better educated population reaps rewards everywhere, most importantly in TT discourse
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dajdosta
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This is wrong in many aspects
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dajdosta
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This is wrong in many aspects
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piligrim
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because you have to get used to new racket. If you will play with Ma Lin Carbon few weeks you will get same results as with Carbospeed :) |
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jonyer1980
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I can't believe how some people ate able to extract any conclusion that soon ejing from one set-up to another. Even EJ pros state that spend a half a year in order to master any testing blade.
How you can be so daring to have that early conclusions with a couple of matches with your club partners? I think that requires much more extended testing& longer time to get a proper conclusion.
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pingpungpeng
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it's just that you don't read. I said I played many times with this chinese setup.
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Baal
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Borrowing a term from cycling, people who EJ are often looking for "marginal gains" as they switch from one blade to another and one rubber to another, often among items with quite similar properties. Every once in awhile someone finds one. But a lot of the time it is just an endless cycle and, as someone else mentioned, a lot of people switch around pretty quickly. Actually, at one point I did that a lot, often deciding after a single session that a particular rubber was not going to work out (but I at least I had more or less decided on Butterfly ALC blades a long time ago). In retrospect, a big waste of time and money. At some point I just got tired of trying new stuff, and have sold most of the stuff I will never use. (By the way, I still have two Ovtcharov True Carbon ST blades if anyone is interested). * The concept of marginal gains in road cycling as propounded by British Cycling and later Team Sky is that if you make enough tiny changes that give you a barely detectable advantage -- a gram here, a couple of watts there, they will add up enough to amount to a significant edge. Problem is that in TT that aren't that many things we can mess with.
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jackwong23
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Equipments do matter, Ask Ma long to use 1980s dhs rubbers and blade without boosting and he will probably lose all his matches.
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DLC1325
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When it comes to equipment making a difference, I often think of the matches I've watched where (European) pros look at their racquet after a missed hit as if the rubber didn't react as expected (often slippage or a dead ball). I cannot think of a single time I've seen a Chinese player do that.
Not to say my match views are all encompassing, but more often than not it seems to hold true, and those mis-hits might be the difference in the match at pro levels.
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