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I have a few sheets of National T05 I could sell you for $5,000 a piece.  Personally I play better with the National Dignics 09c I bought off Timo's PA.
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Allegedly prott.vip
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A national version of T05 on Taobao? it smells fishy! Stay away, regular T05 is so good enough! and it lasts a long time, 6 months is not rare for a regular club player using it 6 hours a week so it's not that expensive as many people underline.
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I use national T05s and they have improved my shitty technique to another level. For some unknown reasons, my footwork has also improved! If my coach gets me commercial T05s, they go straight into the trash can. 
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Originally posted by jpenman jpenman wrote:

Originally posted by GeneralSpecific GeneralSpecific wrote:

Allegedly prott.vip

I know, but they are currently out of stock.

I heard that some TaoBao sellers might sell them.

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At the time of this writing they have 1 red sheet left here
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It write behind on the sponge with laser print: CHINA
Which tenergy is made in China? Smells like fakes
Despite the fact that the national greek players that I have seen their rubbers with my own eyes and their tenergies are exactly like ours...
I have seen from 2 TOP players their tenergies after they took them of and they were like ours too.
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I am pretty sure National Tenergy is a myth. I have friends on various national teams and some top provincial/pro league players in China, they've all mentioned special blades and Hurricane of course, but never heard anything about their Tenergy being anything special.
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Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

It write behind on the sponge with laser print: CHINA
Which tenergy is made in China? Smells like fakes
Despite the fact that the national greek players that I have seen their rubbers with my own eyes and their tenergies are exactly like ours...
I have seen from 2 TOP players their tenergies after they took them of and they were like ours too.


Tenergys are soley made in Japan. The "China" print probably means that the rubber sheet is meant for the chinese market or to be more specific for a (certain) chinese player...(of course these prints could have been made by someone else that Butterfly too...)
That being said, I'm not too sure if I should believe in National versions of Tenergy. However, if they (i. e. slightly modified/improved versions of Tenergys) do exist, then, with all due respect, greek national players are maybe not good or important enough to get access to the "real thing"; if these "National Tenergys" do exist that is.


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Can it be that the supposedly different versions of T05 are merely the result of the quality control process? Think about it this way: If you are making pancakes, the first in the batch is always different from the following ones as you are still tuning the parameters of your production process (heat of the pan, amount of batter). There are many factors that govern the quality of a rubber sheet, and sending the best ones to the pros makes sense.

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Originally posted by Skynet Skynet wrote:

Originally posted by *_strataras_* *_strataras_* wrote:

It write behind on the sponge with laser print: CHINA
Which tenergy is made in China? Smells like fakes
Despite the fact that the national greek players that I have seen their rubbers with my own eyes and their tenergies are exactly like ours...
I have seen from 2 TOP players their tenergies after they took them of and they were like ours too.


Tenergys are soley made in Japan. The "China" print probably means that the rubber sheet is meant for the chinese market or to be more specific for a (certain) chinese player...(of course these prints could have been made by someone else that Butterfly too...)
That being said, I'm not too sure if I should believe in National versions of Tenergy. However, if they (i. e. slightly modified/improved versions of Tenergys) do exist, then, with all due respect, greek national players are maybe not good or important enough to get access to the "real thing"; if these "National Tenergys" do exist that is.

Also, besides the CHINA print, there are some special big letters (normally 3 or 4) and something like -------CR----------- on the sponge. 
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I am pretty sure I have seen SP on some of my own Tenergies before. It is hard to prove that something doesn't exist but as I mentioned I know many people who would have had access to such a thing if it did and I have never heard it even mentioned, and I've been around a while. As for the PROTT thing, it claims that the JNT coach directly gave it to them. I really really doubt that a Japanese coach would give off his limited supply of a special stock to an online retailer in China, for what? To make a couple bucks off it? I don't believe that story at all. Having a connection within China is more believable but I really doubt that the JNT coach is giving away rubbers to PROTT.
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Some time ago i had a japan national team version. Is better than commercial version? No major difference in playing properties. Only thing i noticed was that it tear at the edges like a hell. Surprisingly, the rubber on the other side of the racket (nittaku G1) was also torn at the edges , which usually does not. I suspect the rubber is tuned with something. Rubber has no particular smell.
Definitely not the same as commercial version.


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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

I am pretty sure National Tenergy is a myth. I have friends on various national teams and some top provincial/pro league players in China, they've all mentioned special blades and Hurricane of course, but never heard anything about their Tenergy being anything special.

"National" Tenergy is a myth.

I once asked a former top Euro player (sponsored by Butterfly) if the pros get a better Tenergy version rubber than us commercial buyers. He said NO. Very Top Butterfly-sponsored players can request where their rubber sheets are cut from the huge slab of Tenergy rubber at the plant. He didn't elaborate on this any further. 

Another time, I managed to get a hold of a new Tenergy 25 sheet from a Top South Korean player sponsored by Butterfly.  It was the same as the packaged version. 

And speaking with two Butterfly dealer reps, they said there's no such thing.  

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I think you are getting too caught up on the "SP" part or whatever was printed on the sponge. That entire review above sounds like placebo effect to me. A more premium look? Serves speed?

Also, he's comparing a used rubber to what...another used rubber?

If RSM really did have some uber secret Tenergy I doubt he would be giving it away on some online giveaway too. Butterfly wouldn't want him to.
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"That entire review above sounds like placebo effect to me. A more premium look? Serves speed?" 

 Hey as long it makes you play better, it is worth it (just to go along with most of the forum)
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Originally posted by idk idk wrote:

I think you are getting too caught up on the "SP" part or whatever was printed on the sponge. That entire review above sounds like placebo effect to me. A more premium look? Serves speed?

Also, he's comparing a used rubber to what...another used rubber?

If RSM really did have some uber secret Tenergy I doubt he would be giving it away on some online giveaway too. Butterfly wouldn't want him to.

People that are invited to butterfly head quarters (dojo)get special tenergy as a gift , A player told me that he got the sheet and sold it and  he said that was more boosted  version than regular T05..I guess SP must mean special version


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