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I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings LOL

Who else is using 09c here :)
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I’m curious to see others opinions. I wasn’t impressed. Spin and control are nice but didn’t wow me
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I owned one. Dignics 05 was much easier to use. 
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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

I’m curious to see others opinions. I wasn’t impressed. Spin and control are nice but didn’t wow me
Do I read correctly in between your lines that it is very good but not $90 good?

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D09C is better than H3 neo but not better than boosted H3. The other down side was boosting D09C didn’t work. If you are use to T05 or D05 , D09C just offers more control but nothing else . It takes a lot less work to play D05/T05. I think if you have pro arm speed or can’t control the other Dignics/Tenergy rubbers D09C is great.  At my amateur level D09C  offers me nothing. Hopefully not making this a bash thread cause I am a Bfly  fan just not of this rubber.

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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

D09C is better than H3 neo but not better than boosted H3. The other down side was boosting D09C didn’t work. If you are use to T05 or D05 , D09C just offers more control but nothing else . It takes a lot less work to play D05/T05. I think if you have pro arm speed or can’t control the other Dignics/Tenergy rubbers D09C is great.  At my amateur level D09C  offers me nothing. Hopefully not making this a bash thread cause I am a Bfly  fan just not of this rubber.

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Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

D09C is better than H3 neo but not better than boosted H3. The other down side was boosting D09C didn’t work. If you are use to T05 or D05 , D09C just offers more control but nothing else . It takes a lot less work to play D05/T05. I think if you have pro arm speed or can’t control the other Dignics/Tenergy rubbers D09C is great.  At my amateur level D09C  offers me nothing. Hopefully not making this a bash thread cause I am a Bfly  fan just not of this rubber.

Yeah I don't think D09c would suit Jpen blades....just not enough speed. 
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Thank you for a great personal analysis and you are right, it's not about the money at all, my bad.
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I've started playing with it for 6 months on my FH side. It has all the advantages of the H3 national yellow sponge but you don't have to boost it. 
It is also very good for chopping from time to time.
It lasts longer than tenergy.
It is more expensive but, as it lasts 1,5 time longer than tenergy or victas V15 extra, it is ok to me. 
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Originally posted by kakapo kakapo wrote:

I've started playing with it for 6 months on my FH side. It has all the advantages of the H3 national yellow sponge but you don't have to boost it. 
It is also very good for chopping from time to time.
It lasts longer than tenergy.
It is more expensive but, as it lasts 1,5 time longer than tenergy or victas V15 extra, it is ok to me. 

Yes I felt the same way, it's almost like a boosted H3 without having to boost lol... As a player who doesn't like rallies and prefers the complicated serve/receive game I love it. The opening loops with D09c is just something else altogether. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings LOL

Who else is using 09c here :)

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings

Did you mistype?  You typed "officially sold"; did you mean "officially broke?"

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings LOL

Who else is using 09c here :)

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings

Did you mistype?  You typed "officially sold"; did you mean "officially broke?"

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Lmao yeah it burnt a hole in my pocket... But very well worth it! The feeling of generating some crazy spin opening loop is priceless :)
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

D09C is better than H3 neo but not better than boosted H3. The other down side was boosting D09C didn’t work. If you are use to T05 or D05 , D09C just offers more control but nothing else . It takes a lot less work to play D05/T05. I think if you have pro arm speed or can’t control the other Dignics/Tenergy rubbers D09C is great.  At my amateur level D09C  offers me nothing. Hopefully not making this a bash thread cause I am a Bfly  fan just not of this rubber.

Yeah I don't think D09c would suit Jpen blades....just not enough speed. 

Your more sophisticated comment alters significantly and positively the discussion.  This topic may not profitably be addressed without direct reference to the blade usage.  All the top professional offensive players associated with Dignics 09C use fast blades, from the Viscaria standard up to faster standards.  Absent the context of the blade diminishes understanding.

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by jpenmaster jpenmaster wrote:

D09C is better than H3 neo but not better than boosted H3. The other down side was boosting D09C didn’t work. If you are use to T05 or D05 , D09C just offers more control but nothing else . It takes a lot less work to play D05/T05. I think if you have pro arm speed or can’t control the other Dignics/Tenergy rubbers D09C is great.  At my amateur level D09C  offers me nothing. Hopefully not making this a bash thread cause I am a Bfly  fan just not of this rubber.

Yeah I don't think D09c would suit Jpen blades....just not enough speed. 

Your more sophisticated comment alters significantly and positively the discussion.  This topic may not profitably be addressed without direct reference to the blade usage.  All the top professional offensive players associated with Dignics 09C use fast blades, from the Viscaria standard up to faster standards.  Absent the context of the blade diminishes understanding.

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I have tried it on G-Max , IF ALC  and Kenta  Matsudaira ALC. It does “better” on the faster blades but not something I would use again. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings LOL

Who else is using 09c here :)

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings

Did you mistype?  You typed "officially sold"; did you mean "officially broke?"

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Lmao yeah it burnt a hole in my pocket... But very well worth it! The feeling of generating some crazy spin opening loop is priceless :)

Isn't it a bit heavy with both D09Cs? 
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Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings LOL

Who else is using 09c here :)

I'm officially sold haha... now I'm playing Dignics 09c on both wings

Did you mistype?  You typed "officially sold"; did you mean "officially broke?"

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Lmao yeah it burnt a hole in my pocket... But very well worth it! The feeling of generating some crazy spin opening loop is priceless :)

Isn't it a bit heavy with both D09Cs? 

I used to play both sides hurricane which was worse lol... It actually feels light for me. That said I don't have very wristy BH and FH loops, they're quite large smooth strokes so it doesn't affect me so much...
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How long did your 09c rubbers last?
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Originally posted by slaplink_pat slaplink_pat wrote:

How long did your 09c rubbers last?

Well they're new and performing like a champ haha. One side has been in storage for a few months and I didn't notice any difference at all.
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I was gifted a sheet to test

Background:
Hurricane 3 neo for 3 years now (both boosted with 2 layers of sea moon) - commercial because i boost and on that poverty time.

2013-2015 TBZLF (H3 neo/Hexer)
2015-2018 TBZLC (H3 neo/T64)
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FH - 40 degree
BH - 39 degree

My level 2-3 years ago. 

FOREHAND
I attempted to use it on my FH but felt mushy as I am used to 40-41 degree sponge.

- Drives: I don’t  like the feel on drives. Drives have a bit more contact into the sponge vs loops. And again this felt too mushy for me. I found myself having to wait a little vs contacting in front of me. Also don’t like the springiness during this shot. 

- Loops: I don’t like the arc it gives during my loops. High after it bounces on opponents side, which I noticed my hitting partner counterlooping it back, overcoming the spin, or better direction on their blocks. 
ON A GOOD NOTE - it’s perfect for continuous loops in a sense that it feels SAFER and more tolerable for mistakes (especially with my ALC blade). I often find Hurricane 3 to GIVE TOO MUCH spin for me to react, meaning a good blocker will murder me if I don’t find a good balance with spin and speed (overcommit a shot) 

-Counterlooping: I found myself hitting the net when MID-Distance counterlooping with dignics09c. Close to the table is fine, it  is VERY SPINNY, but the speed is not there compared to hurricane 3. 

-Block: A lot of players complain about spin sensitivity of TACKY rubbers, however i find it enjoyable blocking with chinese rubbers, as this shot allows me to take some spin away or redirect it. I find hurricane 3 better for MY TYPE OF BLOCKS, as i am able to control and return it LOWER and FASTER. I kept popping up blocks with the DIGNICS09c or hitting the net, again this could be from the SOFTER SPONGE that i am not used to. All things considered with the block similar to the drive, the same shortcomings for dignics09c shows for this particular shot on my level. 

- Push: compared to Hurricane 3 neo, it definitely gives a higher angle on pushes because of the bounce. I find it much difficult to do drop shots; HOWEVER, if you’re the type to use aggressive pushes, this may work for you. 

- Flick/Flat shot: i am not overly aggressive with this type of shot unless of course the ball is popped up high by the net and i can see the logo. Normally i use this shot to set up another shot but rarely to finish the point ie CHANGING THE SPIN. I did find D09C better for this shot. HOWEVER, for my game where i rarely FLAT SHOT on my FH side, it doesn't benefit me.

FOREHAND CONCLUSION:  --> Sticking to H3neo 40-41 degree. If i were developing a loop kill then i find Dignics 09c to be better and tolerable for DEVELOPING players on controlling their shots and UNDERSTANDING their spin (especially when it is being blocked. ie recovering fast). 

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On the backhand, I find DIGNICS09C to better serve me as I do more flat shots and blocks.

BRB - i got errands; here's a video of me playing 3 years ago. I was obsessed with developing my BACKHAND during this period, and wanted to finish points faster using it, INSTEAD OF USING my FH. Hence why i moved away from TENERGY to HURRICANE 3 NEO on my backhand to develop better touch, brush, and overall CONTACT. I also moved away from a ZLC blade to an ALC to give me a SOFTER balance for the HARDER RUBBERS.

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Yeah Dignics 09c isn't as good as tuned hurricane 3, but it does come close I feel. And tuning is a pain in the ass anyway lol. 

And it does have a really high throw angle, so I did also have to adjust my technique to go forward more and close the bat more with Dignics 09c, once I did that both the speed and spin really jumped. 
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Originally posted by blahness blahness wrote:

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Yeah I don't think D09c would suit Jpen blades....just not enough speed. 

1-ply Jpens blades have all the speed inherent in the hinoki. I much prefer tacky/hybrid rubbers on my Jpens (S3-60, PK 50, BlueGrip, TG2 Neo, H2 Neo). Euro/Japs are waaay too bouncy for me. Even MX-S was too fast. Hexer Powergip and Rakza X were okay. 
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How does 09c compare to something like sieger pk50 or golden tango ps?
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Originally posted by obesechopper obesechopper wrote:

How does 09c compare to something like sieger pk50 or golden tango ps?

I haven't used 09c myself, but I imagine they're relatively similar other than the spring sponge vs the ESN sponge. 
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should I boost the 09C like I do with my H3??
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Originally posted by Chopper88 Chopper88 wrote:

should I boost the 09C like I do with my H3??

No need, it already plays like a boosted H3 haha...
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don't think you need to boost 09c. still easier to play with than H3 but a good sheet of H3 boosted still has a higher power ceiling
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Thank you, I love the feel of a boosted /tune H3 , so I would have the same feel with the D09C ?
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Originally posted by Chopper88 Chopper88 wrote:

Thank you, I love the feel of a boosted /tune H3 , so I would have the same feel with the D09C ?

Yeah it's very similar imo. I love the hurricane feel, which is why I went to 09c rather than 05.
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Originally posted by Chopper88 Chopper88 wrote:

Thank you, I love the feel of a boosted /tune H3 , so I would have the same feel with the D09C ?

Similar, but not the exact same. H3 still feels a little more solid and stronger on hard loops compared to 09c
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