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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

super alc is consider to get the same thick arylate with less woven of carbon so the material can be used in Innerforce koto blades so maybe 10 years of develop is not lie but I will buy for resell


Viscaria do exist at  least  from 1998 and why suddenly people started to buy it after zjk won the worlds in 2007?. I m pretty sure that many people said viscaria sucked before started to become popular. Thats the power of Marketing. Butterfly owns a lot of money to zjk.

Indeed.

In other time, Primorac Carbon was the most popular of fiber based blades. The reason was quite plain& simple: Zorac was at his prime being the second 2nd of WR at that time. Everyone rejected those weird blades such as Viscaria, Moonbeam or Keyshot.
Surprisingly, after falling into the oblivion for decades, it has become popular once again because of Timo switched to it.





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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

super alc is consider to get the same thick arylate with less woven of carbon so the material can be used in Innerforce koto blades so maybe 10 years of develop is not lie but I will buy for resell


Viscaria do exist at  least  from 1998 and why suddenly people started to buy it after zjk won the worlds in 2007?. I m pretty sure that many people said viscaria sucked before started to become popular. Thats the power of Marketing. Butterfly owns a lot of money to zjk.

Indeed.

In other time, Primorac Carbon was the most popular of fiber based blades. The reason was quite plain& simple: Zorac was at his prime being the second 2nd of WR at that time. Everyone rejected those weird blades such as Viscaria, Moonbeam or Keyshot.
Surprisingly, after falling into the oblivion for decades, it has become popular once again because of Timo switched to it.




Boll used viscaria in 2000 and wasnt popular until zjk used to win in 2007 ,I got a pretty cheap viscaria in 2004 because nobody wanted.all players were after primorac carbon
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at the bremen wttc 2004 you could buy viscarias at the butterfly shop for like 70-80 euros, i remember my coach bought 20 pcs at that time 
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yo guys, in early 00's people still use soft rubbers on glue like sriver/fx and bryce/fx
the thickness and hardness of primorac carbon with hinoki on top gives a lot of spin and control with pause on shots.
Look how 00's player use their force, first shots were very spinny but natural game style was one - two metres away the table with powerful long swing with enormous kick and proportional rotation at the time 
Old viscarias won't be good to this type of game because look how  Japan vs France match
Kishikawa used Spirit and his shots was not the hardest to return for pros 


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remember that until 2009 you could speed glue.
even the chinese national team were using 5 ply wood blades then.

add 2 or 3 years for the transition... 2012 is more or less when viscaria started becoming really popular.
then when 90% of the chinese team switched to it... that's when it became the best selling blade.


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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

remember that until 2009 you could speed glue.
even the chinese national team were using 5 ply wood blades then.

add 2 or 3 years for the transition... 2012 is more or less when viscaria started becoming really popular.
then when 90% of the chinese team switched to it... that's when it became the best selling blade.

 2009 speed glue wasnt allowed, viscaria got popular because zjk.. how many top  players with viscaria in 2009?
2 years for transition? too much time.
Chinese team were on clippers in 2009, 5 ply blade doesnt mean it will be slow, mazunov has 5 ply structure, even persson played with a clipper with donic handle and was sued.
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

remember that until 2009 you could speed glue.
even the chinese national team were using 5 ply wood blades then.

add 2 or 3 years for the transition... 2012 is more or less when viscaria started becoming really popular.
then when 90% of the chinese team switched to it... that's when it became the best selling blade.

 2009 speed glue wasnt allowed, viscaria got popular because zjk.. how many top  players with viscaria in 2009?
2 years for transition? too much time.
Chinese team were on clippers in 2009, 5 ply blade doesnt mean it will be slow, mazunov has 5 ply structure, even persson played with a clipper with donic handle and was sued.  zjk won in 2011 then it became popular to use viscaria.
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

yo guys, in early 00's people still use soft rubbers on glue like sriver/fx and bryce/fx
the thickness and hardness of primorac carbon with hinoki on top gives a lot of spin and control with pause on shots.
Look how 00's player use their force, first shots were very spinny but natural game style was one - two metres away the table with powerful long swing with enormous kick and proportional rotation at the time 
Old viscarias won't be good to this type of game because look how  Japan vs France match
Kishikawa used Spirit and his shots was not the hardest to return for pros 



Boll played with viscaria in 2000 worlds team in malasya. Kishikawa was one of the worst japanese players I ve ever seen in japanese team.
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The 5+2 structure of Viscaria was ahead of its time when it was released in 11/1993. Back in the 38mm celluloid ball era, composite blades by Butterfly, Stiga et al. usually came in 3+2 construction, with thick top plies and core. The vibration damping property of Vectran(reduced feedback) was completely at odds with players when touch was an important aspect in that era and all-wood coupled with gluing could offer the best of worlds.
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

yo guys, in early 00's people still use soft rubbers on glue like sriver/fx and bryce/fx
the thickness and hardness of primorac carbon with hinoki on top gives a lot of spin and control with pause on shots.
Look how 00's player use their force, first shots were very spinny but natural game style was one - two metres away the table with powerful long swing with enormous kick and proportional rotation at the time 
Old viscarias won't be good to this type of game because look how  Japan vs France match
Kishikawa used Spirit and his shots was not the hardest to return for pros 



Boll played with viscaria in 2000 worlds team in malasya. Kishikawa was one of the worst japanese players I ve ever seen in japanese team.

if you know Timo Boll personal Tenergy was very soft, I hear story when Timo Boll gives one of his new personal Tenergy to one of  Polish female player on Pro Tour and it was too soft on Innerforce ZLF. Timo Boll talks a lot  about his favourite 97 grams Spirit  so for me I am correct, he had brick spirit with enormous grip
I even used 05 fx on garaydia zlc, and feel the vibe of good control in service on the table 
blocks but the most shining part of game was looping 1-2 metres away
Soft rubbers are very good choice for Primorac Carbon on old celluloid balls.

Kishikawa
https://tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=seiya-kishikawa-104675
I never disrespect guys like him, his old ranking is around top 20-50 with old structure= u must be very good 


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you can see that  koto/limba  alc start to be popular in 2009Wink
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

yo guys, in early 00's people still use soft rubbers on glue like sriver/fx and bryce/fx
the thickness and hardness of primorac carbon with hinoki on top gives a lot of spin and control with pause on shots.
Look how 00's player use their force, first shots were very spinny but natural game style was one - two metres away the table with powerful long swing with enormous kick and proportional rotation at the time 
Old viscarias won't be good to this type of game because look how  Japan vs France match
Kishikawa used Spirit and his shots was not the hardest to return for pros 



Boll played with viscaria in 2000 worlds team in malasya. Kishikawa was one of the worst japanese players I ve ever seen in japanese team.

if you know Timo Boll personal Tenergy was very soft, I hear story when Timo Boll gives one of his new personal Tenergy to one of  Polish female player on Pro Tour and it was too soft on Innerforce ZLF. Timo Boll talks a lot  about his favourite 97 grams Spirit  so for me I am correct, he had brick spirit with enormous grip
I even used 05 fx on garaydia zlc, and feel the vibe of good control in service on the table 
blocks but the most shining part of game was looping 1-2 metres away
Soft rubbers are very good choice for Primorac Carbon on old celluloid balls.

Kishikawa
https://tabletennis.guide/alldata.php?name=seiya-kishikawa-104675
I never disrespect guys like him, his old ranking is around top 20-50 with old structure= u must be very good 


Saying he s the worst player I ve ever seen is not an insult.
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Saying he s the worst player I ve ever seen is not an insult.

Now, that's funny.

Saying he s the worst player I ve ever seen is not an insult, it's a/an ________.


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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Saying he s the worst player I ve ever seen is not an insult.

Now, that's funny.

Saying he s the worst player I ve ever seen is not an insult, it's a/an ________.


You can mock all you want , yeh ishikawa is the GOAT.
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I find pure happiness in using soft rubbers with hinoki 3+2 blade. That s why I feel table tennis players loved that combination when they have small rubber choice.
For Me super viscaria is made for pro players WHO use hard rubbers that s why IT will be Play like koto Kevlar blade like drinkhall powerspin but with  better japanese quality 
I saw a lot of players on good level and I think about first Polish division and they change his viscarias, to cca unlimited because it is a lot softer and faster so they can choose hard rubbers like r53/mxp50/05hard/dignics/k3/triple double extra/rhyzen without any problems, soft blades give them more rubber flexibility.

New Super Viscaria will be small stock because hype is high, so IT is normal part of business. 
Everybody knows that first stock of butterfly new blades  are very good. 
They sell 10k blades for 200 euro and IT is 2millions and normal viscaria dissapear because WHO wants sell outdated product for 50% of new product?
You will feel the Vibe when  they make Super Maze Alc with Denmark flag ( Freitas didnt deserve his own blade) or Super Timo Boll ALC, 
No one will want to buy Revoldia,. 
Super Apolonia alc with green and cherry handle, I want that 
No one will want to buy Layer Alc. 
Thats how they handle the buzz
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Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

I find pure happiness in using soft rubbers with hinoki 3+2 blade. That s why I feel table tennis players loved that combination when they have small rubber choice.
For Me super viscaria is made for pro players WHO use hard rubbers that s why IT will be Play like koto Kevlar blade like drinkhall powerspin but with  better japanese quality 
I saw a lot of players on good level and I think about first Polish division and they change his viscarias, to cca unlimited because it is a lot softer and faster so they can choose hard rubbers like r53/mxp50/05hard/dignics/k3/triple double extra/rhyzen without any problems, soft blades give them more rubber flexibility.

New Super Viscaria will be small stock because hype is high, so IT is normal part of business. 
Everybody knows that first stock of butterfly new blades  are very good. 
They sell 10k blades for 200 euro and IT is 2millions and normal viscaria dissapear because WHO wants sell outdated product for 50% of new product?
You will feel the Vibe when  they make Super Maze Alc with Denmark flag ( Freitas didnt deserve his own blade) or Super Timo Boll ALC, 
No one will want to buy Revoldia,. 
Super Apolonia alc with green and cherry handle, I want that 
No one will want to buy Layer Alc. 
Thats how they handle the buzz


zhang jike blue dragon super alc could be the greatest blade ever made.
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Originally posted by timoboll89 timoboll89 wrote:

at the bremen wttc 2004 you could buy viscarias at the butterfly shop for like 70-80 euros, i remember my coach bought 20 pcs at that time 

Don't forget about inflation. Since 2004 we had almost 50% inflation (in dollars, probably similar in euros too).
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Originally posted by astaroyd astaroyd wrote:

Originally posted by andzejgolot andzejgolot wrote:

I find pure happiness in using soft rubbers with hinoki 3+2 blade. That s why I feel table tennis players loved that combination when they have small rubber choice.
For Me super viscaria is made for pro players WHO use hard rubbers that s why IT will be Play like koto Kevlar blade like drinkhall powerspin but with  better japanese quality 
I saw a lot of players on good level and I think about first Polish division and they change his viscarias, to cca unlimited because it is a lot softer and faster so they can choose hard rubbers like r53/mxp50/05hard/dignics/k3/triple double extra/rhyzen without any problems, soft blades give them more rubber flexibility.

New Super Viscaria will be small stock because hype is high, so IT is normal part of business. 
Everybody knows that first stock of butterfly new blades  are very good. 
They sell 10k blades for 200 euro and IT is 2millions and normal viscaria dissapear because WHO wants sell outdated product for 50% of new product?
You will feel the Vibe when  they make Super Maze Alc with Denmark flag ( Freitas didnt deserve his own blade) or Super Timo Boll ALC, 
No one will want to buy Revoldia,. 
Super Apolonia alc with green and cherry handle, I want that 
No one will want to buy Layer Alc. 
Thats how they handle the buzz


zhang jike blue dragon super alc could be the greatest blade ever made.

if I will be honest, it can be very good, the idea of Super ALC is the same as they did with Zhang Jike - very soft, super sonic fast but I don't care haha
I will buy just to have because I love black handle from Super Viscaria
If you wanna be so  funny... I  change top ply from W968 National that cost 1k$ who the fook is (you) "that guy" ????
I saw hype in Poland from 1st league to 4th league, everybody wants new Viscaria.
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For those who care, BTY Germany announced limited quantities in their first shipment, and FL handle is already sold out from the pre-orders.


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First Sighting!!  Before my very eyes, a coach at the Maryland Table Tennis Center (MDTTC) in the state of Maryland, USA showed me today a Butterfly Viscaria Super ALC.  It lives!!

I said to him: "How did you get it?  You must know people."  He said he is Butterfly sponsored, that is the key. 

Apparently in this table tennis backwater country, there are but a very few around.

I didn't play with it but I must say it had the most gorgeous of an attractive handle, which was flared.

Thanks. 
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Super ALC (89g) vs t Viscaria (87g) 

Initial 4 hour impression 
1. SWEET SPOT (had a lot of mis hits that still had quality spin) 
2. Longer deeper arc on FH shots (overshooting if not careful)
3. Softer feel (not THAT soft. Still feels crisp)

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Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

First Sighting!!  Before my very eyes, a coach at the Maryland Table Tennis Center (MDTTC) in the state of Maryland, USA showed me today a Butterfly Viscaria Super ALC.  It lives!!

I said to him: "How did you get it?  You must know people."  He said he is Butterfly sponsored, that is the key. 

Apparently in this table tennis backwater country, there are but a very few around.

I didn't play with it but I must say it had the most gorgeous of an attractive handle, which was flared.

Thanks. 


Butterfly just released them early. I got mine Monday afternoon and I'm a complete nobody. LOL
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It's said in China the purchase of a Viscaria Super ALC at list price comes with a free rubber such as Aibiss plus two or three Butterfly products such as racket case/shirt/towel/bag, while others say they get 2 or 3 free Aibiss. OTOH, some stores offer a 25% discount(standard practice for Butterfly blades and rubbers) with no bundling.

Edited by zeio - 03/01/2022 at 2:55am
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Got mine too, straight handle with nicely 86g. Smile

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forgot to mention about the FLARED handle

The Super ALC handle is SLIGHTLY squarish (towards the Plies) Not as consistently round as Viscaria. Still very subtle, but it allows you to LOCK your grip angle (good for blocks and countering?)  Depends on how you play/spin your shots. I personally like it. I know some players like to ROLL the racket angle CLOSE when contacting.

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

It's said in China the purchase of a Viscaria Super ALC at list price comes with a free rubber such as Aibiss plus two or three Butterfly products such as racket case/shirt/towel/bag, while others say they get 2 or 3 free Aibiss. OTOH, some stores offer a 25% discount(standard practice for Butterfly blades and rubbers) with no bundling.
What I read is that they need to buy other additional items in order to buy a Viscaria salc. And many stores are out of stock very fast 


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Hi,

Here in the USA, Butterflyonline, the North American Butterfly distributor has a note on their website as to the ordering status of this blade.

Coming Soon

I'm tellin' ya: You need to know somebody.

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They are here in the USA.  I ordered Viscaria Super ALC in ST handles.  They are shipped and are on their way.  Hopefully, I will get them in a few days.

Originally posted by DonnOlsen DonnOlsen wrote:

Hi,

Here in the USA, Butterflyonline, the North American Butterfly distributor has a note on their website as to the ordering status of this blade.

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i saw this morning at 9am it said have 11 ST  handle in stock.FL sold out
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i saw this morning at 9am it said have 11 ST  handle in stock.FL sold out

It's that Timo Boll/European thing with the ST handles.  Some of these manufacturers think this theme is followed more but it is not; the Chinese flared handle is.

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