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    Posted: 04/22/2022 at 6:05pm
After 10 years of heavy use & abuse of my beloved its high time to replace it to another blade since mine it's almost crumbled .

My requirements are the following:

-Off/off- range as my RW, but also a bit softer outer ply which is quite bouncy.
-Simiar weight (avoid anything above 90gr since my wrists hurts)
-No head-heaviness/ as Acoustic.
-Prefered compact size instead of "paellera size" as Korbel or Stratus power wood.
-FL handle as close as Stiga Master. Dislike narrow FL hadles as most Nittakus.


As an old school player, i still have the strong conviction that pure wood rules over any composite or fiber based blades. I own a huge collection of blades (Maze, Spirit, Viscarias, TB ALC or even PC) with purchased or traded in the past but never liked due to their lack of feeling. IMO they're for really skilled players or someone really commited into the game with such proper technique/fit/age. To my view any pure wood matches to my level since i'm in my early forties right, and i'd rather woody feeling for more pleasant&direct feeling. For even any advanced amateur, any 5-7 plywood blade is fine enough, at least for my liking.



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Stiga VPS? Clipper?
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  I owned an Infinity in the past but didn't like it too much because of it was too light and hollow.. Besides, QC'S absolutely lame: splinters came out when I peeled of the rubbers.

I also own a discontinued light Clipper CR which is fine but I don't like thick blades too much coz my hands are small and I struggle the way to snap it in order to grab the blade properly.


Edited by jonyer1980 - 04/23/2022 at 1:43am
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How bout 5-ply all-wood blades such as 

Tibhar Stratus Powerwood, Butterfly Petr Korbel or Butterfly Primorac
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Stratus&korbel both are head heavy&large blade size. Primorac is noticeable slower than RWV
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Stratus&korbel both are head heavy&large blade size.

I've played with both, and yes TSPW has a larger than avg. head-size, but I didn't feel it was head-heavy. 
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IMHO, what everyone needs is a Nittaku Violin, with the large handle if you like the Stiga Master Grip. 

Very few players (myself included of course) will likely ever be good enough that they can truly control a carbon blade.

Only thing is it might feel a bit slow after playing with a Rosewood for so long 


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Cornilleau Glory
Solid handle
compact head size
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
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Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

IMHO, what everyone needs is a Nittaku Violin, with the large handle if you like the Stiga Master Grip. 

Very few players (myself included of course) will likely ever be good enough that they can truly control a carbon blade.

Only thing is it might feel a bit slow after playing with a Rosewood for so long 



I also played  with it for years and it at that time  was my go-to blade, but nowadays I think it's quite slow for the current PB. 
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

IMHO, what everyone needs is a Nittaku Violin, with the large handle if you like the Stiga Master Grip. 

Very few players (myself included of course) will likely ever be good enough that they can truly control a carbon blade.

Only thing is it might feel a bit slow after playing with a Rosewood for so long 




I also played  with it for years and it at that time  was my go-to blade, but nowadays I think it's quite slow for the current PB. 




Maybe Acoustic
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jonyer1980 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04/23/2022 at 5:21pm
That was my former blade before RWV.... It's nice too but Violin was even better. Nonetheless , it's also quite head heavy and it's FL handle sucks (even the L-size version)
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Agree about handle. I also couldn't use it
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5ply
1-Avalox BT 555 over 88 grams older model
2-Nittaku Tenor 
3-Avalox P500 over 90 grams older model
4-Yasaka Goiabao

7ply:
Old clipper wood under 90grams and 6.2mm or thinner black font
OSP Ultimate
Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon
Tibhar Force Pro Black Edition
Tibhar Akkad
Nittaku Ludeack
Nittaku  Adelie


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Viscaria, Ma Long 5, Old Clippers, BTY Ovtcharov and Various Custom blades
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Why not get a custom blade made? That way you can get exactly the handle shape and size you want.


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Originally posted by Sedis Sedis wrote:

Why not get a custom blade made? That way you can get exactly the handle shape and size you want.





It doesnt have reselling value. If you wont like it no chance to sell
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I also own a Ludeack as well. It's the regular version which I traded it a few years ago. I  stored in the "grounded box" so left it into the oblivion so l should give it a shot.

I guess Tenor is same as acoustic but thicker, so heavier and an even head heavier  too.


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RWV is composed of rosewood - spruce - ayous - spruce - rosewood.  Since you have already mentioned that you did not like Infinity, well there are other Stiga blades (with similar composition) that I would not mention here.

You don't like Korbel or TSPW because of the large head, so there are 2 more with similar composition (limba - limba - ayous - limba - limba):
1)  Xiom Offensive S (it is a good blade and cheap, so you can buy it for testing)
2) Adidas Challenge Force (now ITC Challenge Force), also quite cheap but probably harder to get.

Xiom Offensive S is a bit stiffer and faster compared to Korbel.  Head size is standard (157x 150) and handle is normal (not big not small).  Thickess is about 6.1 mm.

ITC Challenge Force is the same, but speed-wise, it is slower than Korbel, but still faster than Primorac.  Thickness is about 6.0 mm.

For 7 ply, the closest to 5-ply (while retaining 7-ply characteristic) is Tibhar Force Pro (blue handle).  It has normal head size and good comfy FL grip.  It is not heavy also (range of low 80 - 86 grams).

I hope this info can be a reference to you. 

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I remember there is an Andro wood blade (Timber 5?) which has normal handle and head size.  I think it is around 6.- 6.1 mm., and quite cheap as well.
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stiga ebenholz v.
it's like rosewood v but a little softer.
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Try Yasaka Goiabao. It should be similar. My ST handle weighs 84g and is not head heavy at all. Solid OFF speed. 
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talk to @Hipnotic to just build you a blade with almost the exact specification?
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I think former Samsonov Force Pro makes sense or Ludeack.  Hadraw VK i might give it a shot too since it's compact size, same speed as Korbel and a bit harder outer ply... And I already got it too
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why not get another rosewood V if that’s what you like.
My trade feedback here:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=40170&title=viva-buy-sell-feedback
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Because I wanted to try out another stuff after 10 years.
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absolum may fit the bill but headsize is bigger. Large handle and is an off blade. 

Edited by viva - 04/26/2022 at 7:18am
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506, ML's weapon 
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Originally posted by viva viva wrote:

absolum may fit the bill but headsize is bigger. Large handle and is an off blade. 
Absolum is an absolute gem, but it is noticeably faster than RWV and I feel it is stiffer also
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As an allwood player myself (Yasaka Goiabao 5) your requirements are quite dificult to match these days..

More and more the brands are focusing on fibers and expensive blades.

I suggest you to take a look at Donic Person PowerPlay

- Compact head
- Not heavy
- Thin 7 ply that plays almost like an 5 ply
- Cheap 
- Easy to get at any store
- koto outer layer, crisp but softer compared to rosewood
- OFF to OFF- range for nowdays
- Swedish blade feeling (Woodhouse made) 
Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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Originally posted by AMonteiro AMonteiro wrote:

As an allwood player myself (Yasaka Goiabao 5) your requirements are quite dificult to match these days..

More and more the brands are focusing on fibers and expensive blades.

I suggest you to take a look at Donic Person PowerPlay

- Compact head
- Not heavy
- Thin 7 ply that plays almost like an 5 ply
- Cheap 
- Easy to get at any store
- koto outer layer, crisp but softer compared to rosewood
- OFF to OFF- range for nowdays
- Swedish blade feeling (Woodhouse made) 

That's a great point too. Hadraw VK may also be interesting too, it's same as regular Korbel construction but harder koto outer ply with compact size and average weight.
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7 Ply Blades I own and love: Hadraw SR, Tibhar Kim Jung Hoon and Adidas Challenge Speed. The last one is no longer in production.

I know you said all wood blades, but I have to pitch in these two, as they play like fast wooden blades. Joola Rossi Emotion and Joola Aruna Off (probably a renamed Rossi Emotion). And these two are my favorites and I own several blades (Acoustic Carbon, Viscaria ALC, Harimoto ALC, Garaydia ZLC, Joola Rossi Emotion PBOC, Donic Ovtcharov True Carbon)
Blade: Rosewood NCT V
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Persson Powerplay is a great blade.   7-ply that plays like a 5-ply.   Even though koto is supposed to be harder than limba, but I feel that PPP is a soft blade.    Compared to Rosewood (hard wood) it definitely feels softer.

Joola Rossi Emotion is also a great blade.   A composite that plays like a wooden blade.  However, it is a soft blade also with hinoki as the top-ply with koto as the 2nd layer (resulting in a not too soft Hinoki feeling).

You can't go wrong with PPP or JRE.   However, price-wise, PPP is very affordable.

You can choose Hadraw, but as I remember, it has been discontinued.   So if you like it, it is hard to get a spare or replacement.

Blade : Just wood
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