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And if it wasn't for Ma Long's lost, we gonna have all Chinese Semi finals in both Male and Female.

What will happen is Xu Xin wins Korea open, and then non of the male  Olympians win China open???

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Originally posted by TTNoobie TTNoobie wrote:

oh damn!  they brought that really annoying commentator back!  I thought they got rid of him for goodAngry
lol, yes, but once in a while he makes some cool comments. 
"He returned that back with interest!" "Why can't she always play like that?" "Most people watching want this over asap" "I'm not biased, I just know who's better." "The world ranking worked in his favor" 
He may not be the most knowledgeable, but his comments are good for the normal joe. Us mytt folk are a little to advanced for his commentary, but still can get a kick out of his creative word play. 
My beef with the commentator, is his pronunciation of names. Yoon Jae Yong was pronounced sloppily "You Jya Yo" like 10 times. At the first I though he was cheering like the chinese do, "Jia Yo"
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Popperlocker,

Yes, what you say makes sense, but are we going to continue keeping the standard low forever?
Why don't they look at a long term plan - 10 years later, that the general public needs something better (and not just MYTT members).

We need to compare 1st world TT to 3rd world TT.
In China, every one can understand Yang Yin's comments on CCTV. Now the questions is how did they get there. What needs to be done? Maybe commentators need training? or Fans need to learn TT more?

I think finding excuses for poor commentators is really short sited. We need to look at long term and the growth between fans and commentators etc, it needs to be parallel or one leading the other.

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Lee Sang Su was in the zone against Ma Long.   Lots of aggressive and full-power shots.  Korean players are always dangerous opponents with fast footwork.
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Agree,
Korea always produce players with good footwork.
From 1988, to even today we have witness this.

So that is why I am not suprised to see many generation of Korean players causing trouble or upsets to Chinese players. They also have a good TT system in place, and in a way, they footwork is unique and more stronger than Chinese imo
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Thumbs up to Persson, 46 years old, and still managing to get into Quarters finals or Semi Finals (Bejing 2008).

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First Guo Yan got injured and didn't complete her game,
now Guo Yue is injured and gave a WO to Liu Shiwen in singles, and doubles to the Korean pair of Lee and Park

What is going on....


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all chinese semi finals! haha
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what's tang peng's equipment now? his backhand pips sounds noisier that usual...
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Originally posted by ZApenholder ZApenholder wrote:

Popperlocker,

Yes, what you say makes sense, but are we going to continue keeping the standard low forever?
Why don't they look at a long term plan - 10 years later, that the general public needs something better (and not just MYTT members).

We need to compare 1st world TT to 3rd world TT.
In China, every one can understand Yang Yin's comments on CCTV. Now the questions is how did they get there. What needs to be done? Maybe commentators need training? or Fans need to learn TT more?

I think finding excuses for poor commentators is really short sited. We need to look at long term and the growth between fans and commentators etc, it needs to be parallel or one leading the other.

Simply waking up a different day, but doing the same thing - won't make things better

I like where you're heading but there is one major problem. The ittf is not as rich as cctv. Also, this guy is hyping up the game like a cheerleader, which is good. However, for the big events, they put some good commentators in the box, like the german coach. I actually think cctv and ittf are both doing it wrong. One is too dead and one is too quirky. The best I've seen is Japanese(Korean?) commentary, which is a pretty girl commentator + coach commentator. You get the best of both worlds. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I believe Yang Yin is the commentator with that annoying voice. I often turn the sound off when she is commentating. It would be nice if they added a pretty girl next to Yang Yin. 
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Lol, well I don't really look at annoying or unannoying, but rather the level of commentating. I do enjoy Yang Ying's commentating, as most of the time she relates to herself as a formal player / world champion and invites CNT team leader or coaches or ex national team members / world champions to comment. The level of commentating (words used) that CCTV provides is really high imo.

Of course there will be different views on what is the best, as this is an international community, with so many cultural back grounds etc, and it is therefore the executives job to find a meet point for all to be happy - with a long term plan in mind.

ITTF has no money? I think that is where ITTF goes wrong. You don't use your own money to do business/make money. You need to use other peoples money to do business. I hope ITTF retires this 14 years president (his same action, different years is not working), and get in a non TT playing executive with experience in sales/marketing, so they can turn the "company" around.
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Originally posted by mrdoodzki mrdoodzki wrote:

what's tang peng's equipment now? his backhand pips sounds noisier that usual...

I noticed that as well... sounds like he has some real soft sponged sp on his bh.

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was there any video of Fang Bo?

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Most sports commentary is done by two people,  first you have the straight play by play guy,  he talks the majority of the time.  Next to the play by play guy you have the colour guy,  this person chimes in on occasion with some quirky comment.

The guy doing the Korean open is a colour commentator, little knowledge of the game and non stop quirky comments.  If they team him up with the former English coach commentator he will be tolerable giving his quirky comments once in a while,  but not have him talk non stopDead


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ITTF knows that John Burgess (the English guy who's commentating in Korea) isn't the best - that's why they hired new people last year and didn't use him at all for the Worlds. I guess they didn't have enough money to send the European commentators to Asia, so they're using Burgess again (he lives in Singapore). They often try to pair him up with an expert, like Jorgen Persson tonight.

Just watch and enjoy, it could be worse (the ETTU for example has terrible commentators).
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Persson was a pleasure to listen to, lots of charisma that guy. "The young boy crying is a Zhang Ji Ke fan, trying to distract Wang Hao. Oh look it worked" LOLOLOLOLOLO
Did you guys see Xu Xin play? Legendary performance against Kazuhiro. 
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Just got to check the tournament after two rounds and OMG this tournament is CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

persson over fang bo
Lee sang su over ma long

then to see my man Chan Kazuhiro into the Semis!

this is the best tournament I think I've seen in a long time! not only that, but the one match i watched of Kazu vs Sang Su was a level of intensity i haven't seen since the speedglue days. 

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The Zhang Jike - Xu Xin final is truly amazing! Reminds me of the Australian Open Djokovic-Nadal final... there was one shot where Zhang Jike did an inside-out FH loop, with the ball way below the table and on the right side of the table! It's like the shot Wang Liqin did to Timo Boll in the 2006 WTTTC! :O :O :O 
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Zhang Jike looked unmotivated to me. He looked bored, and lack of footwork and offensive shots, and still he managed to win...
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You guys know that Chan Kazuhiro has also overcame Ma Long? In 2010 i think, an impressive 3-0 victory full of impossible reflex shots close to the table!
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