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    Posted: 04/12/2014 at 7:40pm
anybody using this?
haven't used yet but it's the bounciest short pips I ever owned!!
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Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.
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Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.


Edited by puppy412 - 04/12/2014 at 9:40pm
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


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- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

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- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)


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Johnny Chop, for me f1a was like inverted.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?
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I had it on a Rendler Offplay and liked it but actually the good ol 802-40 plays better for me.
Not as springy an a tad less speed but better control.
just wish it was faster.

still looking for a faster sponge to put on the 802-40
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?


also 563 is from friendship/729, so it probably has a 1 dollar sponge.
anything is possible but it doesn't sound logical that a 1 dollar chinese sponge is faster than a fast tensor donic sponge.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Johnny Chop, for me f1a was like inverted.

ya a lot of people tell me this… i am just not sure about it… Many reviews says F1A is very spiny but also with impressive sink effect and it is insensitive to spin so i got one to try… i was quite impressed with the sink and control but was really dissapointed with the spin to me it had much less spin then 802 or spectol….


Edited by JohnnyChop - 04/13/2014 at 2:52pm
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?
you may be right… but i really felt 563 had a higher top speed… maybe i am fooled by how little dwell it has… 
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?


also 563 is from friendship/729, so it probably has a 1 dollar sponge.
anything is possible but it doesn't sound logical that a 1 dollar chinese sponge is faster than a fast tensor donic sponge.

is F1A a tensor sponge? the pip has been around for quite a long time now?

a couple month back on the chinese forum there was a lot of complaints about how the new sheets of F1A plays different from the old ones… just FYI
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?
you may be right… but i really felt 563 had a higher top speed… maybe i am fooled by how little dwell it has… 


top speed term is quite deceiving, you can have same top speed with h3 as you have with tenergy.
I see speed more as the speed of the rubber itself without you having to do any effort.
you could also call it bounciness in a way.
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?


also 563 is from friendship/729, so it probably has a 1 dollar sponge.
anything is possible but it doesn't sound logical that a 1 dollar chinese sponge is faster than a fast tensor donic sponge.

is F1A a tensor sponge? the pip has been around for quite a long time now?

a couple month back on the chinese forum there was a lot of complaints about how the new sheets of F1A plays different from the old ones… just FYI


right, it's not a tensor, here's the description

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The DONIC pimple out programme is completed with DONIC BAXSTER F1-A a fast pimple out rubber sheet in FORMULA DONIC technology. The typical softness of the sponge gives a superb feeling for the ball. The BAXSTER F1-A masters ball control in slow rallies, yet gives explosive power for fast strokes. This is the result of the integrated molecular tension of FORMULA DONIC.
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Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by puppy412 puppy412 wrote:

Originally posted by Dr.Cho Dr.Cho wrote:

Seems to me its like  the donic f-2 or 3 sponge underneath.

very fast and spiny for a pips out.


it's fast for any rubber.
similar speed to a new bluefire.
spin is pretty high too.

i used it for a while couple month back….
For me it is like a hybrid between medium and short pips…comparatively out of the sp i have used i would say 

Spin:     802>Spectol>F1A>563
Control: F1A>802>Spectol>563 
Speed:  563>F1A>Spectol>802
Sink:     563>F1A>Spectol>802


F1A
Pro 
- one of the best at hitting through underspin 
- Insensitive to spin 
- great control on blocks
- good speed 
- massive sink effect for a SP 

Con 
- not enough spin so your timing have to be really good 
- it is picky with blades (horrible on the TB t5000 but amazing on a clearfield)



how come a medium pip like 563 can be faster than a short one?


also 563 is from friendship/729, so it probably has a 1 dollar sponge.
anything is possible but it doesn't sound logical that a 1 dollar chinese sponge is faster than a fast tensor donic sponge.

is F1A a tensor sponge? the pip has been around for quite a long time now?

a couple month back on the chinese forum there was a lot of complaints about how the new sheets of F1A plays different from the old ones… just FYI


right, it's not a tensor, here's the description

Infinite tension
The DONIC pimple out programme is completed with DONIC BAXSTER F1-A a fast pimple out rubber sheet in FORMULA DONIC technology. The typical softness of the sponge gives a superb feeling for the ball. The BAXSTER F1-A masters ball control in slow rallies, yet gives explosive power for fast strokes. This is the result of the integrated molecular tension of FORMULA DONIC.

tensor or not it is a great sponge…please do write a review... i am really interested in what you think about it after you have played with it…


Edited by JohnnyChop - 04/13/2014 at 3:09pm
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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Johnny Chop, for me f1a was like inverted.

ya a lot of people tell me this… i am just not sure about it… Many reviews says F1A is very spiny but also with impressive sink effect and it is insensitive to spin so i got one to try… i was quite impressed with the sink and control but was really dissapointed with the spin to me it had much less spin then 802 or spectol….

have you tried xtend po or rakza po?? is there any tensor pips worth trying besides  flarestorm2  and hexer pips?
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Johnny Chop, for me f1a was like inverted.

ya a lot of people tell me this… i am just not sure about it… Many reviews says F1A is very spiny but also with impressive sink effect and it is insensitive to spin so i got one to try… i was quite impressed with the sink and control but was really dissapointed with the spin to me it had much less spin then 802 or spectol….

have you tried xtend po or rakza po?? is there any tensor pips worth trying besides  flarestorm2  and hexer pips?

i have not used any tensor pips except Raystorm. It wasn't the best or the worst, kind of average all around for a spinny SP. 

i have kinda always wondered why there are so few reviews of tensor sp available online...

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Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by JohnnyChop JohnnyChop wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Johnny Chop, for me f1a was like inverted.

ya a lot of people tell me this… i am just not sure about it… Many reviews says F1A is very spiny but also with impressive sink effect and it is insensitive to spin so i got one to try… i was quite impressed with the sink and control but was really dissapointed with the spin to me it had much less spin then 802 or spectol….

have you tried xtend po or rakza po?? is there any tensor pips worth trying besides  flarestorm2  and hexer pips?

i have not used any tensor pips except Raystorm. It wasn't the best or the worst, kind of average all around for a spinny SP. 

i have kinda always wondered why there are so few reviews of tensor sp available online...


i have noticed that tt companies are releasing more short pips in the aproved list than a year ago
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I used this for a season.  I found it very fast and great for hitting through spin.  It also could generate a great deal of spin itself.  I hated chopping with it, but hits were sweet.

I have it on my recreational C-pen now, but haven't used it for ages.  Might give it a whirl again.
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