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ssiew968 
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 Topic: posture when receiving servePosted: 07/03/2006 at 3:29am |
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Dear all, Notice lots of professional stay far from table and very focus/tight when receiving serve. However, once the opponent has throw the ball, they will relax and then move near the table to receive it. Why do they do so? |
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Braveheart
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Posted: 07/03/2006 at 6:03am |
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In my opinion, they deserve to watch carefully the service of the opponent and they stay far from the table ready to reply to it in a better way
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Posted: 07/03/2006 at 8:25am |
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It's also easier to move in to recieve a short serve than move out to recieve a fast serve.
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Posted: 07/03/2006 at 1:25pm |
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For me it is easier to keep moving once I start than to get going, so that initial move makes sure I am mobile and ready to respond to the serve. Also by moving forward it makes me feel like I am on offense.
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Posted: 07/09/2006 at 9:41pm |
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i don't think they "relax" when then opponent releases the ball, they're just as focused and as tight. they just start moving to anticipate the serve because it's better than moving later
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Posted: 07/09/2006 at 10:46pm |
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The posture that many professional table tennis use when recieving a ball is to stay low with knees bent and with their head and eyes facing the ball. They stay compact because you want to make short, compact, and controlled motions in your stroke. If your stance is not tight, it tends to lead to wasted time when you need to make short steps in your footwork in any direction you move. It is important to also stay low and tight because if the ball is served directly at your body, you will be in better position to return the body shot.
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 11:04am |
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Being far out helps because you only have one direction to move:- forward.
For this reason standing leaving the whole table open a la kim taek soo or gatien is not quite as difficult as it looks because your initial motion is nearly always forward. Of course its very tiring and requires more athleticism than most of amateurs can manage. if you want to employ a modified version of the above, stand well back so that your backhand covers the bh corner such that surprise serve to your backhand does not require you to shift your weight to the bh. In that way you are ready to go forward to short backhnds and forward and across to wide forehands. On a similar subject when you are second striker in doubles (your partner is either receiving or serving) you could consider what Kohno the 77 world champion did: He would stand perhaps 10 feet behind his partner and then as the serve recieve was exececuted he would come in dancing from side to side like a boxertiming his arrival to be going forward no matter which side the opposing team placed it. |
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 11:46am |
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But, can you also consider how intimidating it is to a person who is serving and finds that the receiver is right up close to the table? If the receiver is a good attacker of serves, short or long, what will the server serve?
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 4:19pm |
Short, low with heavy backspinn. Thats almost impossible to attack, either chop it or flip it. If flipped or badly chopped the server gets the opportunity to make that importent tihrd ball attack. It is always the server who has the upperhand in the game. Atleast, it should be if to even opponets meet. A guy like me could serve all the time but never get the chanse to attack against Boll, Maze, Liqin and thoose guys 
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 5:31pm |
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The server doesn't have much of an advantage in doubles, the reason being that a loose serve would be ripped down his partner's throat or hit into his body. So invariably most serves turn out to be short backspins, maybe a few sidespins or no-spins thrown in. Only the best servers can manage anything else in doubles.
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 5:44pm |
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Speedplay, I think you are right about the short heavy back spin. However, I am a 2100 level player, and when I practice flat hitting short spinny back spin serves against my robot, even players at my level don't know what to serve to me. I must also point out that it is not easy to serve very short spinny serves. Generally, the shorter you serve, the less spin it will have, unless you serve illegally. Another way to serve short spinny balls, would be to stand back (away)from the table, put a lot of spin on the ball and let it bounce near your end of the table then barely pass the net before it lands on your opponents side. Of course, this would require a lot of practice and consistency. |
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Posted: 08/06/2006 at 8:11pm |
Actually, if you want to execute a short backspin serve, you cannot possibly put the first bounce near your end of the table (ie: the edge closest to you). Your first bounce must be deep. If the first bounce is close to you, and second bounce is just past the net, that's one half-table distance, meaning the third bounce will probably be near the opponent's deep edge, meaning you're totally gonna get looped. I think the easiest way to produce a really short, backspin serve is to have a low toss, and make contact with the ball right when it starts to drop from the top of the toss. Then there's very little velocity of the ball dropping, making it easier to keep it short. It's really hard to have a high toss and keep it short. |
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Posted: 08/09/2006 at 3:46pm |
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I think its so true what pongstein says it is not easy to serve very heavy chop serve that is also short and low.
lately Ihave been quite a lot of serve practice and can get ten out of twelve sometimes to bounce three times. However when its a game the chop is still heavy but I only get 40 % to bounce twice, so they end up 'half long' which is sometimes good but I wish it was deliberate! I think the problem comes back to relaxation - it improves the touch so much , but is so hard to switch on. You know have soft hands like waldner when he serves any suggestions? |
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Posted: 08/09/2006 at 4:00pm |
Well, you dont sound like someone I would like to play against  Still, I belive that its one thing to do it against a robot wich makes the same serve over and over, its quite a different thing in a game where the variations of the serve is much greater. Short to medium long and sometimes on Bh, sometimes on Fh. To my belief the best serve is always a suprising one, thats why I try to have as much variation as my skill allowes me to. Unfortunatly, thats not much
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Posted: 09/10/2006 at 7:28am |
            this is just random. i like staying all the way bak but it never seems to work.lol
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