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sonya_weson
Member Joined: 02/06/2016 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Topic: That is a bit personal ? Posted: 02/06/2016 at 11:53am |
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I was asked to post my setup
Why should I post my setup ? Is it not a bit personal to be asking someone you just met ?
Because I am posting as I have a questionabout the setup iteself & a possible loophole in the rules
The key phrase is " Before the start of a match ". So if my opponent did not ask me BEFORE the start of a match but gets curious in the middle of a match (as it happens quite often) and wants to examine my racket , can I refuse to show my racket ? Let us not start with the excuse "Oh in the spirit of the rule as it was intended" you should show it whenever your opponent feels like harassing you. Let us not even go there unless there is another rule I missed Thnk you |
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viva
Silver Member Joined: 02/17/2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 645 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 11:58am | ||
yes after the start of the match you do not have an obligation to show it to your opponent. However, officials may test your racket if they see something wrong with it.
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sonya_weson
Member Joined: 02/06/2016 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:14pm | ||
Wait a minute . This includes umpires as stated in THIS rule ONLY.
Unless another rule addresses the rights of umpire anytime afterwards (to examine once mtch started)
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Grandpa
Member Joined: 12/24/2015 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 51 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:36pm | ||
No, asking someone their setup is not a personal thing. What on earth gives you that idea? If you don't want to share your setup then don't, you are not obliged to join the forum. In any case, if it's personal to you then obviously you have some issues with regards to your setup that you don't want to share. That's not anyone else's problem, and is down to you to resolve before you decide to partake in a table tennis forum or in competition with others.
Asking to see someone's bat during play is also not "harassment". Often people have no reason to suspect anyone's setup until they play with you and feel that it's behaving oddly. If you find it annoying that they ask after the start of the match, why not just offer up your bat for inspection at the start and avoid that? Or is it that, actually, you want to hide your setup? In which case that really is against the spirit of the game, and if you're trying to win by virtue of an oddball racket then I'd look into why it is that you're even involved in the sport. |
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JimT
Premier Member Joined: 10/26/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14602 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 12:40pm | ||
If you do not want to post your setup - then simply post something like "I play with a medium-sized blade and two inverted rubbers". Or whatever else you prefer to disclose. As for your tournament umpiring question - formally you are right. But the fact that you are so sensitive to it brings up a question - do you really think that letting your opponent know what kind of rubbers you play will noticeably change the flow of the match or possibly its result? If you genuinely think so, then perhaps you are playing the wrong sport. Or maybe we misunderstood you, and you meant something else entirely. |
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Renol
Super Member Joined: 01/12/2016 Location: Southeast Asia Status: Offline Points: 172 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:04pm | ||
Do you mean post your setup in a forum or show your setup to your opponent during a match?
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smackman
Assistant Moderator Joined: 07/20/2009 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 3264 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 3:21pm | ||
Once the game has started don't show them or tell them anything
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qpskfec
Silver Member Joined: 07/28/2011 Status: Offline Points: 517 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 4:42pm | ||
You certainly have a right to ask the official to check the opponents paddle if you believe it has been damaged.
In the last German Open Ma Long hit the table and took a chuck of rubber He himself showed the paddle to the official so he could get his backup. If he did not do it on his own, the officials should certainly be on the lookout for these issues whenever a player hits the table or floor with the paddle. Ma Long's opponent can certainly ask the official to check the paddle. Additionally the paddles are required to be left on the table between games and for timeouts. One side would certainly be visible to the opponent or officials. |
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gekogark1212
Gold Member Joined: 05/06/2005 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1121 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 4:59pm | ||
Firstly, what illegal long pip are you using!?
Secondly, seems foolish to be DQ'ed by the head umpire over a petty argument of a trivial rule that, for all intents and purposes, does not affect how you nor your opponent plays. |
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mts388
Platinum Member Joined: 03/21/2014 Location: Sonora CA Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 5:29pm | ||
I have no problem asking for a paddle check if I suspect my opponent has changed paddles between games. It's happened to me a couple of times.
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ri0t1
Super Member Joined: 11/30/2010 Location: Bangor, Maine Status: Offline Points: 410 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 6:05pm | ||
You really shouldn't mind if someone asks you what your set up is. If you're confident in your playing ability it shouldn't matter when you're asked..
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suds79
Silver Member Joined: 08/20/2012 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 878 |
Posted: 02/06/2016 at 8:00pm | ||
I once had a guy ask me what my setup was before a match. I told him which is not a problem.
When I explained that one side was Long Pips, him being a newer player asked "so what's that mean or what does that do?" I told him I'm sorry but I am only required to tell him what i'm playing with. I figure it's not my job to educate him on equipment. :) Maybe I should tell him my plan of action. :P Anyways, back to the OP. I'm confused about where this was going. If it's a question to join this forum, man seriously? Just type no comment then. If it's before a match? Tell him. If it's during the match, simply say "I'm sorry but rules state that you have to ask before a match." Boom. Done & over with.
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igorponger
Premier Member Joined: 07/29/2006 Location: Everywhere Status: Offline Points: 3252 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 1:10am | ||
APPROACH THE UMPIRE IN A PROPER TIME INTERVAL.
http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nhl/illegal-stick.aspx If you have got a TRUE sign of some illegality of your opponent's racket during a play, then take a good time, go and notify umpire. If you take wrong time to interrupt, umpire may well impose a PENALTY yellow card on you for the time-wasting in the case the racket proves OK. So, you had better to wait till a statutory interval, adventure to survey opponent's racket only within a statutore intervals, say after six point played. Thus you avoid the time-wasting penalty. |
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el luchador
Super Member Joined: 01/26/2016 Location: south Status: Offline Points: 188 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 2:08am | ||
Actually, rule says you must show your opponent your racket. No requirement for them to ask .
If you didn't show before the match them i believe they have a right to ask for inspection during the game. Edited by el luchador - 02/07/2016 at 2:08am |
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smackman
Assistant Moderator Joined: 07/20/2009 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 3264 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 6:35am | ||
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Kolev
Gold Member Joined: 10/04/2004 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1529 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 9:21am | ||
Jeeeeez.... What a subject. Some people are crying for attention
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sonya_weson
Member Joined: 02/06/2016 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 12:13pm | ||
If you are so confident in your playing ability , why the ___ do you want to inspect my racket in the first place before the match ( and later on during the match whenever you feel like harassing me for a host of mostly irrational and other sleazy reasons even though the rule I just mentioned does not give you the right to do so) Thanks for proving my point
Edited by sonya_weson - 02/07/2016 at 12:16pm |
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sonya_weson
Member Joined: 02/06/2016 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 12:18pm | ||
WRONG Don't want your attention AT ALL to my setup Kapish ?
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wilkinru
Silver Member Joined: 04/28/2015 Location: Las Vegas Status: Offline Points: 604 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 12:37pm | ||
Is anyone else getting excited about 'inspecting' the OPs racket?
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sonya_weson
Member Joined: 02/06/2016 Location: canada Status: Offline Points: 42 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 12:45pm | ||
You "believe" ? What is this ? A religious forum ? The rule clearly states "before the start of the match" . it does not say " before the start of the matc or anytime during the match if you forgot at first or anytime later because you feel like it" Looks like these are your religious interpretions (that had been practiced by your followers over centuries) LOL but that does not make it right
Edited by sonya_weson - 02/07/2016 at 12:46pm |
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cole_ely
Premier Member Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 2:08pm | ||
Sorry Sonya, you've just created the most confusing post in history.
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mts388
Platinum Member Joined: 03/21/2014 Location: Sonora CA Status: Offline Points: 2382 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 4:58pm | ||
It's not Sonya. Probably Rick the forum troll from way back. |
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Kolev
Gold Member Joined: 10/04/2004 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 1529 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 5:30pm | ||
All kapished.......transparent |
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Tassie52
Gold Member Joined: 10/09/2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1318 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 6:05pm | ||
Aha! This makes sense. There is so much that's dodgy with the first and then subsequent posts it just screams fake. I'd suggest the mods investigate. Trolls not welcome, "Sonya". |
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cole_ely
Premier Member Joined: 03/16/2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 6898 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 6:51pm | ||
rick anderson? doesnt feel like his work to me
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DreiZ
Platinum Member Joined: 06/01/2009 Location: New York, US Status: Offline Points: 2574 |
Posted: 02/07/2016 at 9:06pm | ||
Don't feed the troll guys. This person came to start a fire and brought their own gasoline.
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JimT
Premier Member Joined: 10/26/2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 14602 |
Posted: 02/08/2016 at 12:09am | ||
I suggest we stop talking to this particular forummer. Mods will be investigating some strange logon data recorded with his/her posts.
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