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Balsa core, light, and high spin... Any ideas? |
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cgswss 
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 Topic: Balsa core, light, and high spin... Any ideas?Posted: 04/24/2016 at 4:41pm |
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Anyone have some suggestions on a wood stack for a blade that the customer insists MUST have a Balsa core but wants MAX SPIN and very light weight (on 40+ balls). All the balsa core requests I have had in the past were for FAST blades. I was thinking limba outters but customer says no to limba (and No to kiri core)
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Posted: 04/25/2016 at 3:07am |
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Donic cayman, not sure of the outer plies
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Posted: 04/25/2016 at 7:17pm |
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I've tried a range of custom and stock balsa cored blades. I think what you need for maximum spin is a soft outer layer with a hard inner layer over the balsa.
I found western red cedar works well as a soft outer, and any hard wood will work as the medial layer. The harder the medial layer, and the thicker the outer layer the better, but those choices have to be balanced against the desired weight. I hope this helps. |
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Posted: 04/27/2016 at 12:14pm |
A thick balsa core would make the blade stiff; and stiff blades are not the best blades for creating spin. Most thick balsa blades are favored by hitters/blockers who value speed more than spin. does your customer want a slow defensive blade? A thin balsa core with soft outer veneers may work. Look at the Dr N's Barricade or Re-Impact Medusa. these blades are thin, very light weight (~60gms) despite being oversized, flexible and can create spin. Unfortunately, these blades are also dead slow. |
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Posted: 04/28/2016 at 7:59pm |
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Surprised noone has mentioned this - BTY BalsaCarbo X5. Super light, soft, spinny, carbon for stability/not too much flex, comfortable handle. Only drawback its very delicate and can damage really easily.
It's 7mm thick. Basswood - carbon - balsa - carbon - basswood Or Tibhar Rapid Carbon Light Ayous - ayous - carbon - balsa - carbon - ayous - ayous Also 7mm. Both sub 80g blades. Can base your model off these two. Edited by DreiZ - 04/28/2016 at 8:24pm |
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Posted: 04/28/2016 at 10:57pm |
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You can get really good spin on balsa blades, as long as you brush the ball, so that you can take advantage of the high dwell time of the soft balsa. If you're more of loop-drive or hitter, the balsa has a really fast rebound, making balsa less suitable. I used the Re-impact Smart personally, and it's extremely spinny with the right rubber, and the blades are very light (low sixties gramms).
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Assuming the customer does not want any composite and must have Balsa I would use a 4mm Balsa core oriented horizontally. The the trade off is spliced Balsa versus a more flexible blade. Aspen outers in the range of 1.25 - 1.5mm would be a great compliment to the Balsa, although Ayous or Okoume would also be suitable. Rabbit hide glue would be preferrable over standard hide glue. Standard hide glue would make the structure stiff.
The alternative, if the customer is okay with a composite, is the same construction above with a carbon veil .025mm between the outers and core would be great. This would permit the outers to be reduced in thickness to maintain a flexible structure. Vinylester resin or epoxy resin would be required for the adhesive. Regards, Tricky1
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Posted: 05/19/2016 at 5:58pm |
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TSP Versal.
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Posted: 05/19/2016 at 6:08pm |
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Funny how people keep on recommending certain commercial blades. I wonder if they actually read the OP.
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Posted: 05/19/2016 at 6:13pm |
Willow. That's what I look for in my hardbat blades. Willow outer plies. The willow is soft and it feels like the ball stays on the blade longer (It probably doesn't but the psychological effect of the feel may be just as important.) which seems to help me generate more spin without the advantage of sponge. This is a common outer ply for defensive blades. Edited by wturber - 05/19/2016 at 6:15pm |
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Posted: 05/19/2016 at 7:25pm |
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Best one:
 Balsa Carbo X5 ST 82 grams very spiny and sensitive blade from the 1st generation. |
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If you like Willow you will love Aspen. It is softer than the softest variety of Willow (Salix Nigra) with a more consistent grain and texture, albeit not much to look at. I have tried to procure Willow (here in the USA) and my veneer supplier indicated he has never seen sliced Willow veneer. I know that Willow veneer can be procured from China but, there are so many varieties that you are unlikely to be getting Salix Nigra which is the most desirable. There are not too many woods with the elasticity of Willow but, there are some that are very close that are softer, more consistent, and less fibrous in their raw form. I provide this data purely for information purposes with the utmost respect for your opinions and hope it does not sound confrontational.
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Posted: 05/20/2016 at 12:12pm |
Not at all. My knowledge about willow is almost 100% based on my experience with commercially made defensive blades with an outer ply of willow. I don't recall ever hearing about aspen being used as a layer in a blade. If I run across a blade with aspen I'll see if I can try it out.
Edited by wturber - 05/20/2016 at 8:01pm |
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Posted: 05/20/2016 at 8:01pm |
Yep. I just corrected the error in the original post. |
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Posted: 05/20/2016 at 8:50pm |
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http://www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/neottec-balsa-carbon I bought a second one for my back up bat as well. I've tried the Balsa Carbo X5 and it's a good one too.
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Posted: 05/21/2016 at 12:20am |
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TSP Versal...just hinoki and balsa core.
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Posted: 05/21/2016 at 1:07am |
I used the X5 a few years back and really enjoyed it. However, they had serious problems with quality control. A lot of those paddles broke. I had one where the layers of wood actually de-laminated, causing them to separate. Anyway, I thought they stopped making the X5? Juic makes an excellent balsa. Maybe Balsa-C? Something like that. I know a couple of people who use it and I've tried it once or twice. Great control, excellent performance.
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Posted: 05/22/2016 at 10:01am |
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TSP balsa series might serve your desire.
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This thead has kinda lost its way. this was about a wood combo for me to make up a blade for a customer.
This is what we ended up with. the core is 3mm balsa with the grain going horzonal. on each side there is a 1 mm balsa vertical. Then 1mm black limba outers. the handle is made up from kiri. So far he likes it very much. Weight wise it was the top of his window at 79g. I played against him for about 20 min. with T25FX he gets fantastic spin. his loop was long, but thats just adjusting to what ended up being a fast blade. He's a higher rated player then I, but between him missing on his loops and and his dislike of playing against long pips, I beat him a couple of games. But he played against a couple of other guys after me that play a much faster game and he beat them every game. SO a happy customer, with a ugly blade (very plain, no fancy handle, plain outters) the glue up of the blade was done with hot hide glue, the grip was glued with PR glue
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