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    Posted: 05/24/2016 at 7:21am
I've ordered an OSP Virtuoso OFF- (should be arriving today Big smile) and one of the things I found interesting when I was researching and reading reviews about this blade is that people were saying it's feeling will change noticeably in the first 10-20 hours of using it, and even after that it'll keep changing.

I don't really know much about blade construction or the aging of wood, so I was hoping some more experienced players could shed some light on this. Do blades really "mature" with use?


I've included some of the reviews I read about the Virtuoso aging:

Quote My Virtuoso softened up after a few weeks of play, making it less crisp.


Quote It is absolutely correct that Virtuoso gets softer after maximum a week of training. Maybe after each reglueing it gets its final feeling after half a week. It looses some crispness you are absolutely right. We exprerienced the same. The manufacturer Palatinus claims that as the blade gets dryer over years it gets better. My friend is using joola rhyzm on a virtuoso, and after half a year of training everyone finds it amazing. At the beginning he had rakza on it and it was good, but now after half a year and with rhyzm it really gets special attention from coaches in our club. I think it is still crispy enough, it does not have speed limit, it does not have dead feel, and if you want to you can play topspins with it for minutes with minimal effort.


Quote Oh, one thing you should know, when you first get a new OSP blade, for the first few times training they feel weird, almost like the glue hasn't dried yet. But then after a few hours of play or a few sessions of play. The blade breaks in and it starts feeling great. When it is new you almost feel too much and the wood feels really flexy in an odd way. Totally worth having a new one and playing with it till it breaks in thought.
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they get a softer feeling.
This is because of age and because of repeatedly hitting them in the same spot I guess.
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Funny thing is, you don't even need to play with some blades for them to improve with age.  I have no idea why it happens.  The other day I glued up a four-year old Viscaria that had been relegated to a drawer after being used exactly once (when new was too fast, too hollow the first time).  It is now very good.  People say the same thing about some stringed instruments. 
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For a sport that relies heavily on consistency how come companies don't let purchased wood materials "dry out" before using them in production to get "consistent feeling" blades from the beginning? Or am I oversimplifying the process?

Edited by DreiZ - 05/24/2016 at 10:07am
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An early change like that should be the break up process of the use, but if you don't seal the blade with something like polyurethane the wood will dry slowly and may give you more feedback with the time.
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

For a sport that relies heavily on consistency how come companies don't let purchased wood materials "dry out" before using them in production to get "consistent feeling" blades from the beginning? Or am I oversimplifying the process?


Because not all the companies can afford to let a piece of wood dry out naturally for a few years before using it. There are some techniques to accelerate the process, but you have to have a proper room with controlled high temperature and air humidity. The results aren't exactly the same, but are good enough to stabilize the wood.

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Blades change with age and gluing. Does it becomes better ? Depends, it becomes softer and slower, for most amateurs it's a good thing.
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here is a thought then, EJs should buy the blades unsealed and let them age a while before using.  How many of you could wait?
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like wine, then

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Funny thing is, you don't even need to play with some blades for them to improve with age.  I have no idea why it happens.  The other day I glued up a four-year old Viscaria that had been relegated to a drawer after being used exactly once (when new was too fast, too hollow the first time).  It is now very good.  People say the same thing about some stringed instruments. 


Maybe today viscarias are worse thant used to be 4 years ago
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My OSP blade has definitely gotten better. I have played with it for about 5 months now and its gets better with age and reglueing. 
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Funny thing is, you don't even need to play with some blades for them to improve with age.  I have no idea why it happens.  The other day I glued up a four-year old Viscaria that had been relegated to a drawer after being used exactly once (when new was too fast, too hollow the first time).  It is now very good.  People say the same thing about some stringed instruments. 


Maybe today viscarias are worse thant used to be 4 years ago


Maybe, but the one I'm talking about is four years old and did nothing but sit in a drawer during that time.  And it got better.
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Originally posted by in2spin in2spin wrote:

like wine, then

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Not necessarily.

Many pros change their blades a couple of times a year because they get too soft after playing. That, to me, implies that they like 'em hard.

But to the rest of us amateurish peeps, especially those of us in the US buying fast composites, letting them mellow down is a good thing...


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And yet, many pros don't.  Samsonov used the same blade for years until they wouldn't let him use it anymore.  Freitas says he uses the same Maze since he was about 18 or 19.  Jim Butler has used the same Juic blade since he came out of retirement. 

(Also, not all wines age well, that may be true for some blades).
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I wonder if any pros seal their blades?...
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If handle is not sealed it will absorb the sweat of your hands over the time and if you play often it changes a bit.

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Originally posted by Nasche Nasche wrote:

If handle is not sealed it will absorb the sweat of your hands over the time and if you play often it changes a bit.
Oh man I have a friend who has very sweaty palms and you do not want her blade anywhere near your nose Dead
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Some vintage wood instruments improve it's tone over a period of time. The wood cell structure changes and expands allowing more air into the cell. I am a guitarist and confirm this. We are talking tone vs. performance here and have found my really old blades (20+) years seem dull, lackluster compared to my new ones. My really old Stiga Johansson Allround plays like a wimp. Nice vintage value but that's it.
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;I had always heard that some composite blades, such as carbon fiber, can degrade over time. Is that true?
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Originally posted by frogger frogger wrote:


Some vintage wood instruments improve it's tone over a period of time. The wood cell structure changes and expands allowing more air into the cell. I am a guitarist and confirm this. We are talking tone vs. performance here and have found my really old blades (20+) years seem dull, lackluster compared to my new ones. My really old Stiga Johansson Allround plays like a wimp. Nice vintage value but that's it.

I agree about guitars, but just the good ones will get better with the time, a bad guitar will actually get worse. 

About blades, not every blade will feel dull with time. I have a 20 years old one ply hinoki jpen blade that plays superbly and my old Mazunov from the early 90's still plays great too, but it's too heavy for me nowadays so it's retired. Usually light blades with thin wood plies are the ones that will become dull.
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Keep your carbon blade for 1000 years and there may be a chance of become diamond blade..

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Originally posted by ericd937 ericd937 wrote:

;I had always heard that some composite blades, such as carbon fiber, can degrade over time. Is that true?


I have heard this mentioned here specifically for zylon fiber but have no idea if it is true.
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Originally posted by wanhao wanhao wrote:

Keep your carbon blade for 1000 years and there may be a chance of become diamond blade..
Why wait a thousand years when you can just drop a couple hundred dollars to get a Killerspin Diamond blade? LOL

And maybe if you put your carbon blade under enough pressure to perform well, it'll become a diamond blade. lol
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