High Throw Rubber - slow vs fast stroke -Tenergy05

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    After being away for 10 years, I'm not enjoying the 'heck' out of TT again. And I see that equipment has improved, along with 40+mm balls which I'm not a hug fan of.

BUT I do like the Tenergy 05 rubber. I've always liked high throw rubber. 

But do have some questions about high throw rubber. 

1. Tenergy 05 is rated at high throw. Is it high throw only at substantially strong stroke where the book sinks deeper into the rubber or is it high throw at all speeds? 

My impression is that when I really dig into it with a strong stroke, it becomes high throw but at slow low powered stroke very close to the table, it does not seem to be high throw.  Am I wrong about this?  (When I do a strong loop with the 05, it really rips! Love that feeling.) 

2. Are there some rubbers that's higher throw at slow speed strokes, and some rubber higher throw at high speed strokes?  If so, what rubber has higher throw at low speed strokes?  I can play near the table or further from the table but recently have been playing very close to the table and taking the ball on the rise to quicken the pace and have better angles. These are more reactive strokes rather than having the full body rotation to make a stroke.  As a result, my strokes are not as fully developed or powerful - so I am now wondering about rubber that are high throw at lower powered strokes. 

Thanks in advance for any insight. 

ps: I still do not like the 40+ mm balls. They feel deader to me and don't seem to curve as much with top spin.  What 40+ mm balls feel most like the celluloid balls of the past? 

Edited by MTMT - 05/17/2018 at 3:35am

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MTMT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 01/19/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 162	Post Options Post Reply Quote MTMT Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: High Throw Rubber - slow vs fast stroke -Tenergy05 Posted: 05/16/2018 at 5:46pm
	After being away for 10 years, I'm not enjoying the 'heck' out of TT again. And I see that equipment has improved, along with 40+mm balls which I'm not a hug fan of. BUT I do like the Tenergy 05 rubber. I've always liked high throw rubber. But do have some questions about high throw rubber. 1. Tenergy 05 is rated at high throw. Is it high throw only at substantially strong stroke where the book sinks deeper into the rubber or is it high throw at all speeds? My impression is that when I really dig into it with a strong stroke, it becomes high throw but at slow low powered stroke very close to the table, it does not seem to be high throw. Am I wrong about this? (When I do a strong loop with the 05, it really rips! Love that feeling.) 2. Are there some rubbers that's higher throw at slow speed strokes, and some rubber higher throw at high speed strokes? If so, what rubber has higher throw at low speed strokes? I can play near the table or further from the table but recently have been playing very close to the table and taking the ball on the rise to quicken the pace and have better angles. These are more reactive strokes rather than having the full body rotation to make a stroke. As a result, my strokes are not as fully developed or powerful - so I am now wondering about rubber that are high throw at lower powered strokes. Thanks in advance for any insight. ps: I still do not like the 40+ mm balls. They feel deader to me and don't seem to curve as much with top spin. What 40+ mm balls feel most like the celluloid balls of the past? Edited by MTMT - 05/17/2018 at 3:35am

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vanjr Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Gold Member Joined: 08/19/2004 Location: Corpus Christi Status: Offline Points: 1368	Post Options Post Reply Quote vanjr Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05/16/2018 at 5:57pm
	to me the Nittaku premium 40+ spin the best. not sure about the throw angle at different speeds

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	tenergy 05 fx might have the higher throw at lower speed. it has a softer sponge

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	I don't think it's an issue of the rubber doing different things at different speed.
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	MTMT, welcome back! I had about a four year hiatus, and came back to these horrible 40+ balls. The Nittaku Premium are the least awful. Nothing plays with the spin, or trajectories of celluloid. DHS D40+(and balls made by DHS, like the STIGA Perform 40+) are better than most of the other balls not marked Nittaku Premium. There are rubbers that are high throw at different gears. The original Rasant comes to mind. Honestly, if you can pick up a sheet of this, it plays really well with the plastic balls, and is pretty versatile. Kind of like "Mark V for the plastic ball". I'm not a fan of the Rasanters, but I've only played with 37 and 42. Edited by icontek - 05/16/2018 at 11:55pm
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	hi, just put tenergy 05 on my trieber z 2.1 fh, 1.9bh , i have been using rasanters r47 bh and fh 2.0 see how it goes i will let you know. purchase tenergys from the forum.

MTMT Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Super Member Joined: 01/19/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 162	Post Options Post Reply Quote MTMT Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05/17/2018 at 1:15pm
	Thanks everyone for the replies. Keep it coming. Where would I purchase the Tenergy on the forum? Got my first sheet on a discount but the dealer is hard to find. Love tog et more on a discount...:)

col6628 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Member Joined: 04/24/2016 Location: nottingham Status: Offline Points: 81	Post Options Post Reply Quote col6628 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 05/17/2018 at 1:23pm
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	it just means if you hit the same way between two rubbers, one comes off at a higher angle. i can hit either horizontal or high arc fast or slow.
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