Who uses short pips

serr wrote: But she almost never has to blocks high quality loops

does moristo have good feel? I find most short pips very mushy and slow except that one 802 with orange sponge, it had that sharp feeling with lovely cracking sound, had it only been a little spinnier 

lasta wrote: serr wrote: does moristo have good feel? I find most short pips very mushy and slow except that one 802 with orange sponge, it had that sharp feeling with lovely cracking sound, had it only been a little spinnier  Compared to 802, just about all modern pips feel mushy. My conclusion is that sharp cracking feel comes from the hard topsheet. All tensor pips (and inverted for that matter) nowadays seem to go for the soft and thin top sheet trend. Unfortunate really. Try your 802 on a soft tensor sponge. I find the hard topsheet+soft bouncy sponge amplifies the cracking sound. Although your blade matters even more (very hard to get cracking with alc blades). On one setup I have 802 over Hexer sponge, would hazard an even softer sponge would feel crispier yet. This combo is faster than the original Hexer pips. Cheers.

Hexer pips and 102 have a nice cracking sound . How come you got the hexer sponge? Some sponges are hard to remove with wet towel and iron

lasta wrote: Good point. Some glues are very hard to remove, I've ripped enough sheet to shed a tear. But towel, iron, and time works. Never tried 102, but (IMO) Hexer is one of the mushiest I've tried, fairly soft pips on medium soft sponge. The old Chinese "cooked" pips are still the best in the crackling department. 802, 802-40, 651 on a tensor sponge is excellent albeit slightly expensive option. TSP spinpips comes second, although still softer vs Chinese pips. For a cheaper "80% performance" option, the AK47 blue sponge comes close to tensors and topsheet it easy to remove (careful though because the sponge is easy to rip). Or just get a thinner sponge, instant crisp.

What sponge have you removed? Tried mark v and t05 no luck

What about 802-40 on waran sponge?

That would be a good thing

i feel like you guys are doing this more difficult than it have to be. There are plenty of short pimple rubbers that are good as they are from the beginning. I think i could play pretty good with alot of them as long as they are fast enough. I think you need to use a rubber for some weeks or months to be able to give it a fair chance. I also think it is more about the blade, i you want to hit with the pimple the blade need to be pretty fast and stiff. So use them on a good blade before writing them off. 

lasta wrote: Lula wrote: i feel like you guys are doing this more difficult than it have to be. There are plenty of short pimple rubbers that are good as they are from the beginning. I think i could play pretty good with alot of them as long as they are fast enough. I think you need to use a rubber for some weeks or months to be able to give it a fair chance. I also think it is more about the blade, i you want to hit with the pimple the blade need to be pretty fast and stiff. So use them on a good blade before writing them off.  Yes, I understand, and admit to a serious case of EJ. ESN sponges are miles ahead of anything pumped out of Chinese factories, but they just can't seem to be bothered with making a hard rubber topsheet. Just personal preference that's all.

I dont tbink so. A custom 35 deg sponge from gold palm trading or avalox sponge paired with 802 topsheet is as good or better than many expensive sp..spectol blud has a hard topsheet and other non chinese pips too