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    Posted: 06/17/2019 at 4:47pm
I am not going to mention the brand name because I think this is likely a problem common to all ABS
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Twice now I have had it happen that when we used brand new in the box premium 3 star balls they broke very quickly due to the fact that they had been stored for about a year prior to use.

Last week in a training session with 8 players we lost 9 balls over the course of several hours. When it is  $3 a ball, this is pretty damn aggravating.

We already knew that plastic balls are more sensitive to extreme temperatures, but they also seem to become brittle with age, even when kept in a temperature controlled environment.

Thanks again ITTF.
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You must be kidding me; I have 5 boxes of DNS D40+ and 2 boxes of Nittaku 3-Star Premium sitting in my closet Unhappy
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Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

I am not going to mention the brand name because I think this is likely a problem common to all ABS
 balls.

Twice now I have had it happen that when we used brand new in the box premium 3 star balls they broke very quickly due to the fact that they had been stored for about a year prior to use.

Last week in a training session with 8 players we lost 9 balls over the course of several hours. When it is  $3 a ball, this is pretty damn aggravating.

We already knew that plastic balls are more sensitive to extreme temperatures, but they also seem to become brittle with age, even when kept in a temperature controlled environment.

Thanks again ITTF.

Definitely not common to all ABS balls. I am multi balling with balls I have had in boxes for over a year.  There must be another specific factor in play.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by alphapong alphapong wrote:

I am not going to mention the brand name because I think this is likely a problem common to all ABS
 balls.

Twice now I have had it happen that when we used brand new in the box premium 3 star balls they broke very quickly due to the fact that they had been stored for about a year prior to use.

Last week in a training session with 8 players we lost 9 balls over the course of several hours. When it is  $3 a ball, this is pretty damn aggravating.

We already knew that plastic balls are more sensitive to extreme temperatures, but they also seem to become brittle with age, even when kept in a temperature controlled environment.

Thanks again ITTF.

Definitely not common to all ABS balls. I am multi balling with balls I have had in boxes for over a year.  There must be another specific factor in play.
agreed, I have a box of six that I have used for about a year and none of them broke yet 
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Don't know why you don't want to mention balls by name, you did mention that they cost $3 per ball, so highly likely Nittaku unless you are buying overpriced butterfly balls.

I have some DHS D40+ balls that at least a year old. They play the same.
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YES, YES, THIS ALL LOOKS QUITE PLAUSIBLE.

Aging degradation of ABS plastics is a scientificaly proven phenomena.

Quality of DHS balls of ABS plastic is apparently varying from batch to batch.    And some of the ABS batch may get cracky with time.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229602127_Measurement_of_aging_effects_of_ABS_polymers
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The first time it happened, I suspected it was the age of the balls, but thought it could also be a bad batch, or the UPS truck was too hot etc. 

When it happened last week, the breaking problem immediately stopped when we started using balls from a more recent shipment. This is not our regular ball, but we do use them at least a half dozen times a year when we want to prepare for upcoming tournaments using the same ball. Other than the old balls we never had any breaking problems.

Unfortunately it is not a quick and easy thing to replicate the problem, as it requires that the balls are stored for a year prior to testing. 


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Originally posted by igorponger igorponger wrote:

YES, YES, THIS ALL LOOKS QUITE PLAUSIBLE.

Aging degradation of ABS plastics is a scientificaly proven phenomena.

Quality of DHS balls of ABS plastic is apparently varying from batch to batch.    And some of the ABS batch may get cracky with time.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/229602127_Measurement_of_aging_effects_of_ABS_polymers

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Abs is a very durable plastic used everywhere. Cars have many abs parts which get many cycles of hot and cold. Lego are abs.

Sunlight will make abs brittle, but it takes a long time. Leave a Lego outside and see how long it takes to get brittle.

Balls sitting in a closet will not get brittle in a year. I have DHS abs balls with date codes in early 2017 and older NP40. They play fine.

Any bad abs balls were very likely bad from the start.
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