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    Posted: 10/08/2019 at 4:10pm
To my deepest  surprise and disbelief, Nittaku have discontinued their short pimple rubber Hammond FA Speed which I have been using for the past 7 years.  Now, I need  a substitution for it. Can anyone recommend me a similar short pips rubber?
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You might get on well with Butterfly Raystorm.
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have some good memories with it, my BH rubber 10 years ago.
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

To my deepest  surprise and disbelief, Nittaku have discontinued their short pimple rubber Hammond FA Speed which I have been using for the past 7 years.  Now, I need  a substitution for it. Can anyone recommend me a similar short pips rubber?

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Is nittaku beautry also discontinued? 
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Unfortunately, Raystorm comes nowhere near Hammond FA Speed. Beautry is also discontinued. 
  I tried Victas v>101. It is too slow compared to Hammond FA Speed. 
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Joola tango is a good option it has a softer sponge than the ultra short pips..good for flipping and blocking hard hits..
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

To my deepest  surprise and disbelief, Nittaku have discontinued their short pimple rubber Hammond FA Speed which I have been using for the past 7 years.  Now, I need  a substitution for it. Can anyone recommend me a similar short pips rubber?


I used this before.  I would recommend TSP Spectol 21.  They are similar the way they play in the game.
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Unfortunately, Raystorm comes nowhere near Hammond FA Speed. Beautry is also discontinued. 
  I tried Victas v>101. It is too slow compared to Hammond FA Speed. 

Beautry is in the list and the stores how come is discontinued?
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Unfortunately, Raystorm comes nowhere near Hammond FA Speed. Beautry is also discontinued. 
  I tried Victas v>101. It is too slow compared to Hammond FA Speed. 

Beautry is in the list and the stores how come is discontinued?
Old stock. It is not included in the Nittaku catalog.
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Originally posted by speedy speedy wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

To my deepest  surprise and disbelief, Nittaku have discontinued their short pimple rubber Hammond FA Speed which I have been using for the past 7 years.  Now, I need  a substitution for it. Can anyone recommend me a similar short pips rubber?


I used this before.  I would recommend TSP Spectol 21.  They are similar the way they play in the game.
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Spectol 21 sponge is softer and needs speed glue. Have you tried Victas V0>103?
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has anyone tried the newer spring sponge short pips on BH? They are supposed to be fast.
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Hi Chicho,

You can try the Blowfish+.

I haven't used FA Speed for comparison, but of all the pips I've tried, Blowfish+ is the fastest. Medium soft topsheet with fairly soft and bouncy sponge.

Compared to: Dolphin, Spectol Speed, Spinpips Red/Blue, Victas 102, Waran, 105, Flarestorm II, 802, 802-40, Blowfish (non+), Hexer pips.


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Originally posted by lasta lasta wrote:

Hi Chicho,

You can try the Blowfish+.

I haven't used FA Speed for comparison, but of all the pips I've tried, Blowfish+ is the fastest. Medium soft topsheet with fairly soft and bouncy sponge.

Compared to: Dolphin, Spectol Speed, Spinpips Red/Blue, Victas 102, Waran, 105, Flarestorm II, 802, 802-40, Blowfish (non+), Hexer pips.

 Thanks for the input. Unfortunately, Blowfish+ is completely different rubber. I  tested it a couple of years ago. The control when hitting slow balls was terrible.


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Tried Waran 2 today. It is much slower and behaves differently. :(
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Still can't find a substitute!! What a shame. 
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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

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Still can't find a substitute!! What a shame. 

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i tried hammond fa speed some time ago. I remembered it as fast but not too spinny good for punchy bh and knuckle serves. which sounds like some kind of spectol to me..
i sympathise. Nothing worse than sp specialist without the right weapon
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Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

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Still can't find a substitute!! What a shame. 

moristo sp
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certainly very fast and capable of spin too

i tried hammond fa speed some time ago. I remembered it as fast but not too spinny good for punchy bh and knuckle serves. which sounds like some kind of spectol to me..
i sympathise. Nothing worse than sp specialist without the right weapon

You dont need  a spinny pip to make knuckle serves
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Not long term solution, but why don't you buy more sheets of Hammond FA Speed that are still available from online stores? Should be enough to keep going for some years?
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Originally posted by dxc dxc wrote:

Not long term solution, but why don't you buy more sheets of Hammond FA Speed that are still available from online stores? Should be enough to keep going for some years?

An old sheet bough now wont be good in one year
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Hi Chicho,

Looking at the Chinese Guoqiuhui.net, there really isn't anything quite like the Hammond...It has the thinnest topsheet base of anything I've ever seen.

Closest (structurally) would be Baxter F1-A, Hexer+ comes second (slightly larger pips), Speedy XD next. All have thicker base than Hammond. Victas 103 seems to have the same sponge as 101, I doubt its any faster.

IMO, a forced switch is more psychological than anything. A slight variation in feel won't completely destroy your game. I have Victas 102, Spinpips Red, and Blowfish attached on 3 of my most used blades, could pretty much play the same with any...


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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by dxc dxc wrote:

Not long term solution, but why don't you buy more sheets of Hammond FA Speed that are still available from online stores? Should be enough to keep going for some years?

An old sheet bough now wont be good in one year
So if he bought for instance 6 new sheets of Hammond FA speed now, they would not be useable in 1 year? How do the store stock the rubbers then? Or is there difference between short pips and inverted rubbers. 
Just curious as I often buy rubbers from US or Asia and when I do, I prefer to buy a lot at once and I just store them in room temperature. Sorry if off topic.
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Originally posted by mykonos96 mykonos96 wrote:

Originally posted by pingpongpaddy pingpongpaddy wrote:

Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

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Still can't find a substitute!! What a shame. 

moristo sp
and
moristo sp AX

as used by Mima ito
certainly very fast and capable of spin too

i tried hammond fa speed some time ago. I remembered it as fast but not too spinny good for punchy bh and knuckle serves. which sounds like some kind of spectol to me..
i sympathise. Nothing worse than sp specialist without the right weapon


You dont need  a spinny pip to make knuckle serves
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Originally posted by lasta lasta wrote:

Hi Chicho,

Looking at the Chinese Guoqiuhui.net, there really isn't anything quite like the Hammond...It has the thinnest topsheet base of anything I've ever seen.

Closest (structurally) would be Baxter F1-A, Hexer+ comes second (slightly larger pips), Speedy XD next. All have thicker base than Hammond. Victas 103 seems to have the same sponge as 101, I doubt its any faster.

IMO, a forced switch is more psychological than anything. A slight variation in feel won't completely destroy your game. I have Victas 102, Spinpips Red, and Blowfish attached on 3 of my most used blades, could pretty much play the same with any...


I have tested F1-A, Hexer+ and Blowfish/Blowfish+. F1-A and Hexer are too slow compared to FA Speed. Blowfish is unpredictable and has poor control when hitting slow balls. 

I still cannot find a substitution for Hammond FA Speed. I am getting really frustrated. I am wondering why would Nittaku discontinue one of the best short pips on the market while at the same time the old version Hammond FA which is terribly slow and less spinny is still on their site.


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Originally posted by ChichoFicho ChichoFicho wrote:

Originally posted by lasta lasta wrote:

Hi Chicho,

Looking at the Chinese Guoqiuhui.net, there really isn't anything quite like the Hammond...It has the thinnest topsheet base of anything I've ever seen.

Closest (structurally) would be Baxter F1-A, Hexer+ comes second (slightly larger pips), Speedy XD next. All have thicker base than Hammond. Victas 103 seems to have the same sponge as 101, I doubt its any faster.

IMO, a forced switch is more psychological than anything. A slight variation in feel won't completely destroy your game. I have Victas 102, Spinpips Red, and Blowfish attached on 3 of my most used blades, could pretty much play the same with any...


I have tested F1-A, Hexer+ and Blowfish/Blowfish+. F1-A and Hexer are too slow compared to FA Speed. Blowfish is unpredictable and has poor control when hitting slow balls. 

I still cannot find a substitution for Hammond FA Speed. I am getting really frustrated. I am wondering why would Nittaku discontinue one of the best short pips on the market while at the same time the old version Hammond FA which is terribly slow and less spinny is still on their site.

I thnk that booster EV plays like FA speed.several top japan players play with EV , Do you know if pros or high level players in japan are using the new short pips deisgned for plastic ball or the old models like spectol?
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