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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fulanodetal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/31/2017 at 2:59pm
I don't like hockey.

There I said it.

(I live in Canada, so yeah, that is tantamount to blasphemy!!!)

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I liked Tenergy 05 fine for eight years but when I tried Karis M for the first time I discovered that there were some pretty important aspects of my game that were suffering as a result (mainly my ability to keep the ball on the table when I was under pressure, and my return of serve).  Initially Karis M felt dead and it seemed like I was giving up some penetration on my offensive shots, but now I hit as hard and spinny as ever.  My technique adapted.  But I saw the benefits of a very linear rubber right away. 

All this stuff is really a matter of taste, play style, and what you are used to.  But these days I really like rubbers where what you get out is more directly related to what you put in.

With that said, I perfectly understand why a lot of people like it and why it is a dominant rubber among professionals (and the ones that are also widely used share a lot of its properties, or are very extensively boosted Chinese rubber, which is a different animal altogether).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote kurokami Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/31/2017 at 3:07pm
Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


I sympathize with you. Get that crap out of sight. I would be glad to relieve you of T05 ill feelings.
Send it to me, I will pay the shipping cost.

For all your unwanted T05's, Luckyloop and I are running a collection drive. 
Donations will go to the American Red Sponge Society. 
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http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65345&KW=&title=feedback-kurokami
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Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less.
However a 6 month ESN is garbage and 05 is still usable& have some grip.

Here is a 59-month-old Hexer HD in action, never came off the blade once.

Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DreiZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/31/2017 at 3:15pm
59 month old??? Wow...

Wanna see a picture of that rubber.

I played with a 3 year old tenergy once that looked barely 1 year old. The guy was using mineral oil (i think) time to time to keep the topsheet from drying out. Still spinned very well.


Edited by DreiZ - 07/31/2017 at 3:18pm
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07/31/2017 at 4:30pm
I think I took some pictures of the setup but I don't have access to either right now.

It is holding up pretty well. No crumbling of topsheet, to this date, though the sponge feels H3-dead by now, which improves touch considerably.

Showed signs of wear 4 months in at roughly 3 hours a week. Hexer is also similar in that respect, but it developed soft spots and slipping around the 1-year mark, whereas Hexer HD did not.

Contrary to what's a common occurrence, both sheets didn't shrink on me.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Tenergy rubbers are the best, in my opinion.  I've tried lots of others and for a short time I'm impressed with them.  But then I try Tenergy again and realize how superior it is.

I've had the same setup now for over 2 years and I plan on keeping it forever.  Tired of switching as it just seems like a waste of time.
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This tongue in cheek post actually sparked up quite an interesting thread. I put this post meaning to be a little bit funny after reading through another thread about your best blade rubber combination. I was just surprised how many people kept saying T05 was a part of their best combination. Out of the Tenergy rubbers I've tried, I liked T25fx the most. I actually played with T25fx for quite some time and I rather liked that rubber, I just wanted something a little bit more linear and prefer a little bit more grip on the topsheet.


Edited by ericd937 - 07/31/2017 at 8:53pm
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Way back I also did not like T05. Back then I only got to try it on the blades of my club mates. Hated the bounce, too sensitive to spin, heavy, expensive, and it wasn't mine anyway.

My stateside friend sent me a pair black and red for my birthday last year. It's been a year and a half and the T05 is still on my favorite blade. Playing 3-4 times a week 2 hours per session that's durability for you. Love the spin generation on low to medium effort strokes, my BH offense improves immensely. Yep the best offensive rubber for me now that I fully understand what it offers. Best thing yet is . . . . I still have to open the second sheet. Tongue
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndySmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/01/2017 at 10:52am
Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Friends at the club who started using rasanter before me report that after 2 months It loses its spin; if that's true then BTY figured something out the competition still tries to reproduce: durability. I am very surprised BTY was able until now to protect its secret formula: they play a game at the same level than Coca Cola.

That's potentially really bad news.  I'm still using my first sheets of R42 and V42 on BH, but I don't need massive grip on that wing so I'm not as likely to feel topsheet wear.  I'll how our local R47 users are feeling when I see them next.

What a shame if true though.  I thought ESN had sorted out the durability last year.
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Meanwhile my Karis M seems immortal.
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Tenergy was, LION, the 1st rubber to come with big porous sponge. ESN's 4th-gen Tensor was a me-too product. Just as Bryce was the 1st rubber to be marketed as high-tensioned. ESN's Tensor was still in the lab.

Regarding durability, the two opinions below are very common in China as well.

Quote Tenergy seems to have bit more gradual dropoff whereas the heavier tuned ESNs can appear to fall off a cliff.


Quote Tenergy is most likely the most durable rubber on the market, barring some weird, fringe, shoe-like chinese..
The tenergy sponge retains kick forever. And the topsheet, while gradually losing grip, is still not slippery at the 6 month mark, and does not have the signature center wear and discoloration of ESN rubbers. ESN rubbers look totally different in the center in a week, not sure why.
I don't even use tenergy any more, its too jumpy for me. So I am not really a fanboy. That doesn't mean I can deny the durability.


Even Butterfly stresses that point in the infomercial.

P.S. Another point is that many users unanimously reported that the batches of Tenergy in the 1st year after release lasted much longer than the ones after.

Edited by zeio - 08/01/2017 at 1:21pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote igorponger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08/02/2017 at 11:44am
Vlad Samsonov dislikes Tenergy, too.
He is a bronze medal winner for the Rio Olympics2016, and he collected a total of prize money over 2 millions during his whole playing career..
Engaged to Tibhar solely, for over 20 years.

And he now switched to a softer sponge, better control with plastic ball.



Edited by igorponger - 08/02/2017 at 11:54am
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Originally posted by fatt fatt wrote:

Friends at the club who started using rasanter before me report that after 2 months It loses its spin; if that's true then BTY figured something out the competition still tries to reproduce: durability. I am very surprised BTY was able until now to protect its secret formula: they play a game at the same level than Coca Cola.

IT's the booster wearing off as it shrinks.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Meanwhile my Karis M seems immortal.

I still regret taking off my initial sheets.  It actually plays better with age.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Originally posted by jonyer1980 jonyer1980 wrote:

05 last a bit longer but the price tag doesn't justify that diffenrence.  A brand new M1 or MXP is nearly as spinny as 05, maybe 5-8% less.
However a 6 month ESN is garbage and 05 is still usable& have some grip.

Here is a 59-month-old Hexer HD in action, never came off the blade once.



While they weren't as good as Tenergy 05, I still believe that the Hexer/Baracuda/Genius/Explode generation with natural rubber is the best thing ESN has for non-pros.
I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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I have heard of the legendary durability of baracuda. 
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Meanwhile my Karis M seems immortal.

I still regret taking off my initial sheets.  It actually plays better with age.


Yes, I also think it may improve with time but absolutely it is not getting worse.  And so I am not changing until it is obvious that I have to.  And I am not close to that point.  Yesterday I compared my backup blade with fairly unused Karis M with my main blade with quite a few months of use.  Actually both sheet sets are old but only one has been played with.  No difference except a small one that I know is due to the blade.  I have not seen anything like it since the days when I was a kid and played with green Yasaka three-star Cobra. 
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

While they weren't as good as Tenergy 05, I still believe that the Hexer/Baracuda/Genius/Explode generation with natural rubber is the best thing ESN has for non-pros.

That generation was of immense historical importance to ESN as the attempt at imitating T05 changed the conventional perceptions of Tensors, from speedy yet fragile to spinny and tough.

Baracuda and Hexer in particular still get mentioned when people ask for recommendations on local forums in China and Hong Kong.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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