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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

A player has to be really careful where they go to train overseas.  When I went to China, I was forced to train with people who basically had never played before and it was immensely depressing.  I was paying money to basically teach them how to play.  Another player I know was only around 2400 and beat everyone at his training facility and thought his trip was a waste of time.  However if you are willing to spend a lot of money with a high profile province team, you will play with good players.  It will be very expensive though.

Germany and Sweden are no better unfortunately.  Things are very hit or miss.  Players have to be extremely careful where they go to train. Some places aren't even safe for the players with extremely shady things going on.  Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA. 

Having coached a considerable amount of time internationally and having been involved in various table tennis venues around the world (both training and competitive), coupled with the many discussions with players and coaches on this matter, I strongly support your excellent summary of the overseas training environments as you so eloquently expressed it.

For almost all USA players seeking the attainment of national-level (and beyond) playing ability, my view today is that the best and most trustworthy environments for such rigorous development are in the full-time centers in the U.S., with the acknowledgement that the quality within these centers varies by significant degrees, both in coaching and culture, for the purpose at hand.  In the accepted context of these centers functioning as profit-requiring enterprises, the ingredients are nevertheless present to create player capabilities within the junior ranks equivalent to those from the European systems.  At some point in this developmental track, the U.S. competition dimension becomes inferior, thus requiring, for those of such interest, to seek other environments far advanced in match opportunities.  With the systems of China, Japan, and Korea functioning as closed systems in the practical sense of the term, it is Europe that is the golden land for U.S. juniors of high aspiration.  Essentially, Kanak has demonstrated the best model to optimize the prospects for the most ambitious of the U.S. juniors.

Thank you again for your insights.
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Round 3:
Ochsenhausen beat Grenzau 3-1.

In the first match, Kanak Jha lost to Hugo Calderano (10, 9, 9).

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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

A player has to be really careful where they go to train overseas.  When I went to China, I was forced to train with people who basically had never played before and it was immensely depressing.  I was paying money to basically teach them how to play.  Another player I know was only around 2400 and beat everyone at his training facility and thought his trip was a waste of time.  However if you are willing to spend a lot of money with a high profile province team, you will play with good players.  It will be very expensive though.

Germany and Sweden are no better unfortunately.  Things are very hit or miss.  Players have to be extremely careful where they go to train. Some places aren't even safe for the players with extremely shady things going on.  Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA. 


Can you be more specific about these extremely shady things?
It's hard for me to imagine what you are talking about.
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I think when I said "Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA" is enough detail to figure out what I am talking about. 
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Round 3:
Ochsenhausen beat Grenzau 3-1.

In the first match, Kanak Jha lost to Hugo Calderano (10, 9, 9).

Video:
There is so much of today's Kanak in that score, breathing in the best necks and ready to bite for good. The 0-3 loss carries a lot of hope in the details.
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Originally posted by Lightspin Lightspin wrote:

I think when I said "Safesport would have these places shut down if they were in the USA" is enough detail to figure out what I am talking about. 

ok thanks for the info.


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Grenzau lost again (2-3 against Düsseldorf), but Kanak got his first win in the first division:

E3-3Kanak JHAAnton KÄLLBERG6:114:1111:711:811:73:2
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He was thoroughly outplayed in first two games, but he hung in there tightened up some things and won.
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Another match today - round of 16 of the German Cup. Grenzau lost 2-3 against Saarbrücken and were eliminated.

E1-2Kanak JHATomas POLANSKY11:1311:611:97:1111:53:21:0
E2-1Mihai BOBOCICAPatrick FRANZISKA11:79:113:1111:711:53:21:0
E3-3Anders LINDDarko JORGIC6:118:117:11-:--:-0:30:1
E1-1Kanak JHAPatrick FRANZISKA9:113:1111:69:11-:-1:30:1
D-DLIND / BOBOCICAJORGIC / POLANSKY12:107:115:114:11-:-1:30:1


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Any recorded videos of him playing?
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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Any recorded videos of him playing?

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Today Amy Wang is making her debut in the German first division for TTG Bingen (where she replaces Lily Zhang). She'll face Sarah de Nutte and Britta Eerland.

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Pretty good debut for Amy Wang - after a 2-3 loss to de Nutte (world #72) she beats Eerland (world #47) 3-1. Her team loses 4-6 though.

Kolbermoor (with Lily Zhang) win 6-2 and are at the top of the standings.

Kanak Jha was scheduled to play Daniel Habesohn but it didn't come to that as Grenzau lost 0-3. 

So that's 3 American players now in the top German league. Also, Crystal Wang is registered with Schwabhausen (Sabine Winter's team) but hasn't played yet.


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The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.

Do they have relegation in the first division?
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

The Grenzau team lost again today (now 0-13) but at least Kanak Jha won his match against Alberto Mino, 12-10 in the decider. He now has 2 wins and 8 losses. Hopefully he can improve his record a bit more so that another club will sign him and he can continue in the first division.

Do they have relegation in the first division?

Yes, but it depends on the situation - if there aren't enough clubs interested in playing in the first division (as has happened quite a bit in recent years, for financial reasons mostly), then even the last-place team can stay in the league. But this season it seems that 1 or 2 teams might indeed get relegated.
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Round 14:

Grenzau vs Ochsenhausen

E1-2Kanak JHAJakub DYJAS5:1111:96:1111:913:113:21:0
E2-1Anders LINDSimon GAUZY8:1111:98:1111:89:112:30:1
E3-3Mihai BOBOCICAStefan FEGERL11:59:118:1111:910:122:30:1
E1-1Kanak JHASimon GAUZY9:119:112:11-:--:-0:30:1

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Looks like Jha beat Assar for one more win.  Lost both his matches the next team match though.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Looks like Jha beat Assar for one more win.  Lost both his matches the next team match though.


Today he had 2 match points against Steffen Mengel but couldn't convert. 4-12 overall now; his team still winless (after 16 rounds out of 22).
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Originally posted by amateur amateur wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Looks like Jha beat Assar for one more win.  Lost both his matches the next team match though.


Today he had 2 match points against Steffen Mengel but couldn't convert. 4-12 overall now; his team still winless (after 16 rounds out of 22).


 





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Jha scored 1-1 today: 3:2 against Polansky, 0:3 against Shang Kun.
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Jha’s FH still has no power. Unbelievable. 
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Kanak Jha vs Steffen Mengel video just above:


It really seems both players had heavily boosted rubbers, maybe too much.

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Originally posted by Ray Ray wrote:

Jha scored 1-1 today: 3:2 against Polansky, 0:3 against Shang Kun.





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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

Jha’s FH still has no power. Unbelievable. 

He has power of both sides but he prefers to play a "controlled - ball" game, his strokes are usually no more than 70% of his total power at any given time.


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A developing player should take risk over safety and power over control in general. 
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Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

A developing player should take risk over safety and power over control in general. 

Did not realize 1st Div Bundesliga signed "developing players"...i thought they only had "professional players" who need to have good performance (win:loss ratio) to remain on the team(s).

This means every club player who swings out at every ball will now be a "pro" yay Clap


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Originally posted by Charlie Brown Charlie Brown wrote:

Originally posted by chongqinghotpot chongqinghotpot wrote:

Jha’s FH still has no power. Unbelievable. 

He has power of both sides but he prefers to play a "controlled - ball" game, his strokes are usually no more than 70% of his total power at any given time.
I'm with you.  I've always thought that it was a particular part of his style to emphasize control over constant power shots.  If you have good footwork and technique, it can be very effective.  In the last video Calderon was lucky to escape, and Calderon plays a lot of power.
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Today Jha beat Pucar 3-0 (1, 7, 11). And Grenzau finally got their first win! 3-0 against Fulda.

Kanak now has 6 wins and 13 losses, not too bad for his first season.
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Kanak is doing USATT proud like Jim Butler before, he is proving he can compete in that arena...but in a new era. They will renew his contract for another season - they know this is a transition period for both parties, it will be in the new contract they will expect more of him Wink
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