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Posted today on Instagram:
jhakanak On December 1, I was given notice by the US Anti-Doping Agency that they are provisionally suspending me from competing or participating in ITTF, any clubs or member associations affiliated events, effective immediately, as a result of having missed three USADA tests within a 12-month period. As a professional athlete competing at a high level, I am required to comply with USADA’s Anti-Doping Rules and make myself available for random testing.I have requested and will receive an arbitration hearing to contest the missed tests. The judgement for the case will most likely be done in first quarter of 2023. I am hopeful that the arbitration committee will rule that the circumstances warrants a dispensation in one or more of the missed tests. https://www.instagram.com/jhakanak/?hl=en
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Hopefully this gets straightened out soon and he can get back to competing.
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This is not a good look.
In fact, it would allow for a lot of things that definitely look very bad. Edited by NextLevel - 12/18/2022 at 8:17pm |
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I wonder if and how this affects Kanak's eligibility for USATT's Performance Pathway Grant.
Off topic, but I'm wondering if Lily now has any competition for the largest grant (70% of total split between male/female) from Amy who is currently WR#68.
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Does it mean his TT career is over if he loses the case?
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It could be medicine prescribed by a doctor, for example pills to treat adhd tennis players take because of a condition diagnosed within the rules. If the pills are prescribed by a doctor within rules that ITTF can hardly walk over, they get away.
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It sounds more like he was not where he said he was going to be at that time, so they showed up and couldn't do the random, unannounced drug test, not that he failed any test.
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Yes, what Kanak is going through is not uncommon in tennis. It is just not a good thing when it coincides with a period of improvement. Hoping it is worked out.
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Let's hope he has good lawyers.
https://www.globalsportsadvocates.com/library/sports-attorney-whereabouts-failure.cfm When you think of anti-doping rule violations, a positive urine or blood test is probably the first thing that comes to mind. However, whereabouts failures can lead to stiff penalties for athletes included in the out-of-competition Registered Testing Pool (RTP) — even if they never used a banned substance. Whereabouts failures are covered under Article 2.4 of the World Anti-Doping Code. Any combination of three missed tests or filing failures in a 12-month period will result in an anti-doping rule violation with a minimum sanction of 12-months. |
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Most professional athletes are doping, it's just not a 'good look' because people don't want to know how the sausage is made.
The levels of cardio and body's sportsmen have these days isn't a result of eating chicken, broccoli and observing a little bit of sports science. Wholly unsurprising that it exists in professional TT as well. Edited by Basquests - 12/27/2022 at 6:03am |
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The existence of doping agencies runs completely counter to this. People do want to know how the sausage was made, to borrow your phraseology. Outside of sports, even for things like movies, the existence and popularity of social media influencers like Derek from "More Plates for Dates" where he comments on whether certain entertainer bodybuilding results are achieved naturally or not shows there is some interest in the truth even if it isn't universal. The desire to know exists in a substantial part of the population. It is even more salient because there are people who want to emulate these stars so they need to have some rough idea of what is achievable through emulation. Saying that no one cares how the sausage was made is IMHO an overstatement. With Kanak part of the challenge is that this is coming up after a period of good results. In any case I hope for the best. The look is really bad though.
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If Kanak has to sit for a year it could derail his career. After missing 2 tests how could he miss the 3rd one knowing he would have problems?
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Those are the things that make it not look good.
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Hi....it's way premature to judge him and to think that he is doping...we don't have enough info yet.
Maybe he was just acting like an irresponsible young person and missed the tests and thought that the consequences wouldn't really be that bad...or maybe there were issues that we dont know about. I hope he isn't doping and that this whole issue is straightened out so he can continue to play and get even better. He is now doing quite well in the German League. |
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I don't have a big problem with doping for table tennis players compared to other sports. Rather than needing big advantages in strength and stamina levels, I feel like doping just allows players to train the skills of the sport with less injuries. Just by training, there are so many repetitive movements that inevitably lead to wear and tear and injuries for different joints and muscles. I'd be curious to know how widespread it is at the top level. I wouldn't be surprised if it was very common
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I'm far from expert on this, but i believe this kind of thing is not about an athlete failing to attend a scheduled test. If you're in the USADA testing pool you're required to inform them where you are at all times, which allows a tester to surprise you at any time, showing up and administering a random test. So if one day you go train at a different facility, or your team contest is rescheduled, or you decide to go skiing; you need to tell USADA where you'll be. If USADA shows up at your expected location and you're not there, that's a whereabouts failure. It's usually an indication of carelessness, not doping.
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If the same situation was in regards to an athlete from say Russia, would you apply him the same leniency? or would you immediately label him a doper?
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It doesn't matter what country you're from. A whereabouts failure is not good, but it's also not doping. I don't think the top US or Russian table tennis players are using performance enhancing drugs. But that's just my uninformed guess.
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A whereabouts failure is often used to avoid testing and conceal doping.
A lot of modern testing of athletes is done using a baseline view of that the athlete is like and seeing how far your test results deviate from the baseline. If you are not where you said you would be and it causes a delay in access, it can throw off the ability to build a consistent profile that shows your biological profile. USADA testing can be pretty frustrating and lots of athletes complain about it, especially in tennis. Obviously we are all waiting to hear the details but it isn't a good look in the absence of information. |
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I'm pretty sure that we're not on the list of people who need to know what the issue is. I'm sure at some point the results of the investigation will be made public.
Kanak seems like the kind of person who wouldn't use illegal drugs.
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if there was a drug that reduces reaction time and improves situational awareness, TT players would really benefit from it
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Any drug that increases relevant hormone production and enables the development of strength development and quicker recovery pretty much does that by facilitating more focus and training. I have to look more at the details but there was a time that even taking stimulants like adderall required exemptions because it enabled concentration on routines in gymnastics. People would always make the argument that the drug wasn't enhancing the performance, but it is a thinner line than you think. You don't even need hypertrophy to get stronger taking medication, lots of muscle and strength can be developed at fairly invisible level on a low fat athlete, especially in table tennis where most of the work is on the lowee body/legs.
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I should've been more clear - the general public is very much anti-drugs as a whole, but the sports themselves are filled with drug users [or 'cheats']. The issue is that people want their 'heroes' to be clean and hate on them when they are not, which is even most movie-stars that are clearly juicing, claim 'natty.' The organizations in charge of the sports just want the stars and games to be played, and the drug agencies operate with that in mind... I think it would be remiss to not research drug agencies and whose interests they are serving. USADA has been incredibly shady WRT their servicing of the UFC, and the only members of the media with journalistic integrity are pretty unanimous in expressing that sentiment. There's a reason none of the high profile fighters pop, and if they do, they invent bogus stuff like 'pulsing' in such a way that's ridiculed by anyone with half a brain cell, and obviously someone like Derek shits on them for [Jon Jones]. The care is more virtue signalling / public wanting their athletes to be clean, but the athletes are not clean and the organizations [from the ATP to the UFC to the NFL] not wanting to clean up the sport, rather just maintain the image that the sport is clean so the public isn't irate, the stars have a good image and the show goes on. |
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Thanks, I get you now. I don't disagree much if at all, a lot of tennis makes me wonder whether any of Federer, Djokovic and Nadal are really clean. A lot of this stuff makes you think about ethics and what it means to have a fair playing field. I think now with the biological profiles, it is much harder to cheat, the main questions are related to collusion with commercial interests. That usually takes decades to be revealed if at all. It is hard to make a man do something that affects his paycheck negatively.
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Anyone remember Barney Reed Jr?
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Barney was 20 years ago and young. He has really pulled it all together. He's got a great wife and kids. He's also doing a great job of coaching. As a bonus, he's a very nice guy.
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I've got some different views on cheating and cheaters.
In some sports (cycling) almost everyone cheats. Some people are quick to accuse others of cheating, because if they were in the same position, they would cheat. There are others that think that to get to the highest level in a sport, competitors have to cheat. Some think that if everyone does it and the rule is not enforced (boosting) it's not really cheating. I find at times if my opponent calls the score wrong in my favor and I'm not sure, or I don't question it, I will lose the next few points, feeling I may have cheated. |
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From listening to people like Derek and those journalistic people [Luke Thomas etc], it's almost certain guys like Nadal, Fed, Djokovic are. Nadal and Djokovic are doing things in terms of physicality that are complete outliers for pretty much anyone on tour, and have for decades. How can you be fitter than 99% of the tour, and more explosive...when a good chunk of athletes are doping? I don't know about biological profiles impacting things - I do know for a fact that testing is always behind the production of drugs, and that regimens are incredibly smart and calculated meaning that the windows an athlete can test positive at are very very narrow. Even for something as potent as EPO: "A detection method for EPO based on isoelectric focusing exists (2). But as Catlin notes, “There is a variety of ways to hide [EPO] and stay underneath the radar.” The method looks for the differences in glycosylation that make endogenous and synthetic versions of EPO migrate slightly differently on the gel. The biggest limitation of the test is that it can detect a synthetic EPO only if the drug is taken within two to five days of testing. The testing is also time and labor intensive, for it takes 48 hours to complete and is finicky." Guess what USADA don't typically even TEST for.... [Hint, its EPO].
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The biological profile I think you can find n article on and it pretty much detects anything. Any major drug consumption will have a hormonal effect that deviates significantly from your normal profile. Doesn't matter what it is. Of course if commercial interests don't want the most stringent testing, then it doesn't matter.
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Biological passport for doping:
This is why the frequency of testing to complete the passport is critical. Just innocently missing tests is a way of messing with the profile. If your random testing trips up something, you can become the focus of more stringent testing. So as innocent as missing tests sounds, it is hardly innocent.
Edited by NextLevel - 12/30/2022 at 9:18pm |
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