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I'm speaking for my friend:

I used the Swedish training video(mainly Waldner) from the ~85 and I watched the Chinese from the same period.  Some of you have already given good explanations but I'll add a subtle variation. I use this as a start:

Use your legs to go forward and up (~45 degrees)while rotating at the waist, open the racket face, keep your racket just behind leg( for left or right handers) and move towards the ball; as you approach the ball, the last half of your swing is accelerated(forward not straight up).

I make adjustments( how much top or side spin) once I have felt or read the amount of underspin.  Meaning how much spin I attempt to return with.  There is also something called "respecting the spin" =waiting to attack the ball on the descent, which in my opinion, will get you destroyed.

Start with looping pushes and progress to chops.  You have to get those feet in position ASAP and have confidence.

Try it out and I'll let my friend know.

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All i gotta say is looping is easy for me now it took me about 2 months to learn it....

Believe me people i can loop anything. Well sidespin makes it a bit more interesting but i think i got it down....

when i started looping chops i missed a lot so i just watched this video here Scroll down to China vs. Korea (WANG Haovs. Joo Se Hyuk)

Basically from what i gained in this video is that you cant do the same motion as you do in a regular loop you must be vertical as much as possible...

I say about 20 degrees forward and you must have a small motion forward...

I agree that you must strike the ball around the high point because you cant loop without power and it'll come from there.....Each time your opponent chops back repeat the process until they give you a high ball then just doo a forward and very slightly up open paddle smash....This should take care of any backspin given....

The only strokes you need to memorize are Push, Heavy chop loop, light backspin loop drive, topspin vs topspin loop drive, a powerful vs topspin/ nospin smash, and a backspin smash

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you can loop anything?
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Yes!!! seriously i can loop anything well forehand wise but i step around very often but on pretty rare occasions i miss...what is bad are my backhand loops and both my fh and bh smashes. I still have to work on those.
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Can you loop a dropshot?
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Looping back spin is not that difficult what is difficult is playing a chopper who varies his spin from shot to shot.  You have to watch him very carefully and keep adjusting your stroke to the spin changes.
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silvaslis you mean like the one Wang Hao does on his far fh corner?

Yeah dropshots just require a very slow loop, but that gives me plenty of time to do a heavy topspin loop dropshot back to their fh sideline.
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ummm..... i dont think that is a dropshot that is just reloops over and over.
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No, I mean a dropshot in the centre of the table.
Loop that back
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Well, its possible for a penholder to do a sort of mini-loop on the forehand or use the reverse side to topspin it. But generally best to just drop back and wait unless you can kill it.
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u can flip a drop shot. 
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u know wut, we should all challenge Datsukid. 

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Can we smash the heavy back spin ball.
i can loop it but the ball not very fast.
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Originally posted by DatSuKid DatSuKid wrote:

All i gotta say is looping is easy for me now it took me about 2 months to learn it....

Believe me people i can loop anything.


You obviously haven't played the right people ...
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No, you cant learn the perfect loop in to months.. Even though you are a penhold player DatSuKid!
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Wang zhen says it took him 15 years to perfect his loop, so theres no way to perfect it in 2 months. i also agree with the other user saying that you just haven't played the right people, once you play people better then you, you cna't loop everything even if you can get to the ball.
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If you could loop everything you would be famous
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Originally posted by Ah Hie Ah Hie wrote:

Can we smash the heavy back spin ball.
i can loop it but the ball not very fast.


It's important to learn to smash against underspin otherwise your chances against strong choppers won't be very high. You have to open your blade more and hit with all the power you have if the backspin is very strong. If you use short pips it's relatively easy to smash against backspin because they are not very sensitive against spin.
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Originally posted by Ah Hie Ah Hie wrote:

Can we smash the heavy back spin ball.
i can loop it but the ball not very fast.

Yes.  Before I learned to loop, I learned to hit backspin by using sidespin.  Example: when you receive a long push to the forehand from cross court, hit on the diagonal(corner to corner) slightly grazing the ball.

Ex2: Flat hit; open the racket face, catch the ball at it's highest point, and hit it directly(straight line) to where you choose.

Again, get in position asap so that you can read the spin, experiment and get a better understanding of  "how to..." against certain spins. 

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yea u can.  it's smash stronger than a smash which requires some position adjustment where it allows u to put all that power into the ball.  the point of this smash is to overcome the backspin so ur using speed against spin and it could also be the other way around if someone wants to counter ur strong smash, they simply overcome ur smash by looping it hard (more spin).  you could always work on powerloops instead of smashes against backspins. 
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Originally posted by DatSuKid DatSuKid wrote:

All i gotta say is looping is easy for me now it took me about 2 months to learn it....

Believe me people i can loop anything. Well sidespin makes it a bit more interesting but i think i got it down....

when i started looping chops i missed a lot so i just watched this video here Scroll down to China vs. Korea (WANG Haovs. Joo Se Hyuk)

Basically from what i gained in this video is that you cant do the same motion as you do in a regular loop you must be vertical as much as possible...

I say about 20 degrees forward and you must have a small motion forward...

I agree that you must strike the ball around the high point because you cant loop without power and it'll come from there.....Each time your opponent chops back repeat the process until they give you a high ball then just doo a forward and very slightly up open paddle smash....This should take care of any backspin given....

The only strokes you need to memorize are Push, Heavy chop loop, light backspin loop drive, topspin vs topspin loop drive, a powerful vs topspin/ nospin smash, and a backspin smash

THE ONE THING I RECOMMEND IS PLAY AGAINST CHOPPERS WHEN YOU ARE TOTALLY SUCESSFUL WITH THE HEAVY BACKSPIN THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IT UNBELIEVEABLY EASIER!!

 

Its all very well being able to loop against one backspin, but the skill starts when people start chopping 4-5 back.  Its much harder then to keep looping.  Variety is the key..

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i am getting tired of Datsukid video posts and claims that he plays somewhat similar to wang hao. 
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no offense, but looping cant be mastered in a couple of months. you can learn to do it. i learned to do it, but am no where close to mastering it. and one tip that i have learned, people say to wait til it gets low to loop it, i dont believe that. letting it drop too much is not good, i try and take it a few inches after going off the table.
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it really all depends on ur style.  some people wait for the ball to drop so they can get more curvature out of it and it depends on the situation.  i will wait for the ball to drop when is dropping near the table and then bring it up as i loop, which is pretty cool.  u get fast loops if u pick it up off the bounce but yea looping requires time to learn. 
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ur hurricane is good for off the bounce looping.
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how is the looping motion different when looping with pips? is it harder? or should i just not even bother trying to get my loops to the level they were when i had inverted?
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Lol sorry bot the vid posts...I copy his style pretty well though...ok i'll sto...

Anyway I only loop heavy backspin balls about 3-4 times then my opponent gives a popup backspin which is good for a smash...or itf he stands back its good to fake a movement and push it back.

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Originally posted by rskywkr rskywkr wrote:

Originally posted by Ah Hie Ah Hie wrote:

Can we smash the heavy back spin ball.
i can loop it but the ball not very fast.


Yes. Before I learned to loop, I learned to hit backspin by using sidespin. Example: when you receive a long push to the forehand from cross court, hit on the diagonal(corner to corner) slightly grazing the ball.


Ex2: Flat hit; open the racket face, catch the ball at it's highest point, and hit it directly(straight line) to where you choose.


Again, get in position asap so that you can read the spin, experiment and get a better understanding of "how to..." against certain spins.


what happen if the ball is very low??????
are is there any other way beside wo chop is back???
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if is too low then u have to push it back or flip

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you guyes are using the word "loop" too often.

If one don't even know how to loop incoming backspin, then he doesn't know how to loop at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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