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Individual singles records for the West Division weekend:

Bay Area - Lashin 7-2, Tao 5-4, L Zhang 2-1, Godhwani 1-5, T Zhang 1-8

Portland - Kou Lei 6-0, McDonald 5-4, Knight 3-3, Vila Ortiz 3-3, Xia 1-5, Sung 0-3

Seattle - Cao 6-0, Kumar 7-2, Sareen 5-4, Hagberg 3-3, Diaz 0-3, Qi 0-3

Texas - Kasamura 6-3, McBeath 5-4, Rebetez 3-3, A Wang 2-4, Naresh 1-5
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Do you know how they choose the players for the first five games?
Is it also snake format?
How is it decided which team chooses first?
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Originally posted by Nick Phoenix Nick Phoenix wrote:

Do you know how they choose the players for the first five games?
Is it also snake format?
How is it decided which team chooses first?

I don't know but I thought that was done the traditional way - each coach chooses the entire lineup in advance, without knowing the opponent's?
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September 25, 2023. Week 1 in the quest to be the best of the west has just concluded, and after taking about 24 hours for deep breathing and therapy, we feel ready to write about it. Like Daytona Beach the week before, Santa Cruz proved to be a wildly successful introduction for Major League Table Tennis. 
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Saw the standings for the western division after this weekend on the majorponghead.com article and it's:

1. Portland Paddlers 2W 1L  (38 pts)
2. Texas Smash 2W 1L (33 pts)
3. Seattle Spinners 1W 2L (30 pts)
4. Bay Area Blasters 1W 2L (25 pts)

It's shown at the very end of this article:

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One thing I learned from watching this weekend's livestream was that the team that's leading going into the golden game gets to choose to put the first player name down, or defer. All the coaches deferred, so they could match up against the other team's pick. But then for the 2nd matchup, the leading team had to go first, and the alternating would continue. So it's possibly a bit of an extra advantage to be leading, going into the golden game. Not only do you start with a 1 to 5 point lead, but then you also get to defer and decide on the first and third matchups. I dunno, is that an advantage? I'm not enough of a mathematician to know, lol
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If one team has a 3-0 lead, then the first two players are only going to play one point the first time around. So there's that. But they would also be the ones to play the Golden Point if the game was tied at 20-20. 

If a team has 1-0 lead, the first two players play the first three points but would also play the Golden Point. 

If one team starts with a 5-0 lead, then it would be the players sent out fifth who would play the Golden Point, if necessary.  

I guess the advantage for the coach that goes second would be knowing what matchup he or she would want in the Golden Point, should it come to that.


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As I understand it, in the 4 singles matches prior to the Golden Game the coaches are forced to place their A and B players in the first two singles positions, their only option is to reverse their order (i.e. they can play B first and A second, if they want to avoid the A vs A and B vs B matchups). Similarly, the coaches are forced to play their C and D players in the last 2 singles matches (after the doubles match), with their only option being to flip D with C.

I'm curious, what would you guys think of this for the Golden Games instead of current system: the order of play is preset by the order of the preceding singles matchups, but in a way that makes all the GG matchups different:

1st pairing: the two female players
2nd pairing: D vs C (or D vs D, whichever pairing did NOT happen in singles)
3rd pairing: C vs D (or C vs C)
4th pairing: B vs A (or B vs B)
5th pairing: A vs B (or A vs A)

I suppose there would create some issues with pairing the women together if, like Bay Area and Texas they play their women (Lily and Amy) in singles anyways. But you get the idea. Instead of having the coaches create a lineup that often has rematches of previous pairings and also often creates imbalanced man vs woman pairings, a system like this would guarantee the female players being able to face each other in singles (if only for a few points), and then the subsequent matchups would be all highly competitive pairings that haven't been just seen in a 3 set match.

Good idea? Terrible? LMK what you think.
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Originally posted by PtonRevolutionFan PtonRevolutionFan wrote:

As I understand it, in the 4 singles matches prior to the Golden Game the coaches are forced to place their A and B players in the first two singles positions, their only option is to reverse their order (i.e. they can play B first and A second, if they want to avoid the A vs A and B vs B matchups). Similarly, the coaches are forced to play their C and D players in the last 2 singles matches (after the doubles match), with their only option being to flip D with C.

I'm curious, what would you guys think of this for the Golden Games instead of current system: the order of play is preset by the order of the preceding singles matchups, but in a way that makes all the GG matchups different:

1st pairing: the two female players
2nd pairing: D vs C (or D vs D, whichever pairing did NOT happen in singles)
3rd pairing: C vs D (or C vs C)
4th pairing: B vs A (or B vs B)
5th pairing: A vs B (or A vs A)

I suppose there would create some issues with pairing the women together if, like Bay Area and Texas they play their women (Lily and Amy) in singles anyways. But you get the idea. Instead of having the coaches create a lineup that often has rematches of previous pairings and also often creates imbalanced man vs woman pairings, a system like this would guarantee the female players being able to face each other in singles (if only for a few points), and then the subsequent matchups would be all highly competitive pairings that haven't been just seen in a 3 set match.

Good idea? Terrible? LMK what you think.
I think it's fine the way it is to just let the coaches figure out what's best for their team.  If you have a strong female player who can get some points vs. a male player in a 4 point game, then that may strategically be a better option to have her play vs. an opposing male player.  For example, iirc Matilda Ekholm split her 4 points w/ Jeremy Hazin.  There's a bit of unpredictability with just 4 points so ratings matter less unless they are too far apart.
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Really the USATT ratings means nothing: Petr Korbel and Kou Lei rated higher than Jah or Angles is just laughable. They should be ranked according to their ITTF rank first, then only after that according to their US results. Kou Lei does not even compete anymore for the Ukraine nationals nor for the Ukraine national team. He's a tremendous player for sure, no question ! but at that point if USATT wants to gain some credibility thay have to change their ratings regulations.

In France for example Gauzy is only ranked 7 M36, M meaning "Monde", world so. Sure it changes each week with WTT website, but the ratings change at least 2 times a year.


Now about the MLTT format: as a french TT fan binge watching ETTU and frenchro A/Pro B competitions, it's fun and enjoyable, really ! not really serious according to the ITTF standards but as they need to gain fans, markets, sponsors and so on, they needed to do things that way so it could be fun for the fans. Being able to watch it live of days after overseas on the MLTT Youtube channel is fun ! I love it !

Plus there are really serious pros, the french ones obviously (Angles, Lorentz, Brossier are former Pro A guys!), but also Dan Gorak (a legend in Poland already), Wenzhang Tao and of course Amy and Lilly for the gals, really good for a start as a pro league ! there are european pro leagues that have less talented players than those !



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I just discovered this on Youtube, wanted to share it with you guys, as the player quality is high, there are female vs male matches, and it's commentated by my all time fav commentator Sean O'neal.

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Originally posted by popperlocker popperlocker wrote:

I just discovered this on Youtube, wanted to share it with you guys, as the player quality is high, there are female vs male matches, and it's commentated by my all time fav commentator Sean O'neal.

There's an existing thread for this:

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Thank you for the info pongfu. It's an interesting format, from watching one match, I concluded it's heavily based on the overall team more than any other format/Davis Cup/NaTeams that I've seen before. 

From the Match above, even though Kou Lei sweeped all his matches 6-0, it still came down to the wire, and they lost.

3 single clashes(every game worth 1 point), 1 doubles clash(every game worth 2 points?), and the 5th and final clash, is a tag team of everyone on the team first to 21 points(worth 6 points?). 

So.. huge chance for upsets, I like it! Also huge fan of seeing women play with men!
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Doubles games are one point a piece as well. I agree it is a fun format that makes every game and match count. Looking forward to the next round of matchups in October.
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At the risk of prolonging this rogue thread....Rosters for 2nd weekend of play for the eastern division:
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Flint Lane is quite the business man.  I didn't realize this, but the each team is owned by different investors and investment groups:

Manu Ginobli, an NBA Hall of Famer, is part of the ownership of the Florida Crocs.

And Dima Ovtcharov is part of the ownership of the Princeton Revolution.

How cool is that?!!
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I heard that they have plans to expand by another 4 teams for next season too.
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Originally posted by Music&Ping Music&Ping wrote:

Really the USATT ratings means nothing: Petr Korbel and Kou Lei rated higher than Jah or Angles is just laughable. They should be ranked according to their ITTF rank first, then only after that according to their US results. Kou Lei does not even compete anymore for the Ukraine nationals nor for the Ukraine national team. He's a tremendous player for sure, no question ! but at that point if USATT wants to gain some credibility thay have to change their ratings regulations.

In France for example Gauzy is only ranked 7 M36, M meaning "Monde", world so. Sure it changes each week with WTT website, but the ratings change at least 2 times a year.


Now about the MLTT format: as a french TT fan binge watching ETTU and frenchro A/Pro B competitions, it's fun and enjoyable, really ! not really serious according to the ITTF standards but as they need to gain fans, markets, sponsors and so on, they needed to do things that way so it could be fun for the fans. Being able to watch it live of days after overseas on the MLTT Youtube channel is fun ! I love it !

Plus there are really serious pros, the french ones obviously (Angles, Lorentz, Brossier are former Pro A guys!), but also Dan Gorak (a legend in Poland already), Wenzhang Tao and of course Amy and Lilly for the gals, really good for a start as a pro league ! there are european pro leagues that have less talented players than those !


You really need to understand what you are criticizing and how the ratings are developed but there are similar anomalies on French ratings as well.  I am 100% okay with Kou Lei being rated higher than Angles based on the matches I have watched over the past 2 years.   If Angles is that much better, he will show it as he plays more in the US.  The ITTF especially the new system is not always a reliable measure of player strength and in times past when ITTF was used to override USATT in the US Open as is required for ITTF events, it resulted in horrible seedings and lots of upsets.  Korbel got his rating after beating either Iba Diaw or Thiago Monteiro and then losing 3‐4 to Kou Lei in the final in Chicago.  Maybe he shouldn't be ranked that high one regular basis but for that one event, the man was on fire.

In any case ratings are not a big for this league.  But maybe when Angles and Kou Lei play if they do, we will see whether the rating disparity is as big as you seem to think.  It is easy to forget that Kou Lei was top 20 in the world.   Korbel and Kou Lei, even if they are not playing internationally now, reached ranking levels in TT that Angles never did.  
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Hopefully Kou Lei and Enzo Angles play each other during the crossover week, when the east and west division teams face off. It's Nov 30 to Dec 2 in Rock Hill, SC...at the ESPN Ocho facility.
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Meanwhile several of the MLTT neo-pros are back in Europe playing for their primary clubs... Lily Zhang is off to a good start in the French Pro A, with wins over Daniela Dodean (round 1) and Audrey Zarif (round 2).

The Princeton Revolution's Alexander Chen and Mathieu de Saintilan faced each other in the Pro B (second division) last week; the chopper won 3-0.

And yet another Princeton man, Ievgen Pryshchepa, also plays Pro B.



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There are also several MLTT players currently competing at the WTT Contender Lanzhou. Bay Area Blasters' Ma Jinbao and Lily Zhang, and Princeton Revolution's Jishan Liang and Edward Ly. 

Ma and Liang are paired together for men's doubles, they won their first qualifying round match. Liang and Lily will also play together in the mixed doubles event.

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Originally posted by Music&Ping Music&Ping wrote:

Really the USATT ratings means nothing: Petr Korbel and Kou Lei rated higher than Jah or Angles is just laughable. They should be ranked according to their ITTF rank first, then only after that according to their US results. Kou Lei does not even compete anymore for the Ukraine nationals nor for the Ukraine national team. He's a tremendous player for sure, no question ! but at that point if USATT wants to gain some credibility thay have to change their ratings regulations.

In France for example Gauzy is only ranked 7 M36, M meaning "Monde", world so. Sure it changes each week with WTT website, but the ratings change at least 2 times a year.
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Originally posted by pongfugrasshopper pongfugrasshopper wrote:

Originally posted by Music&Ping Music&Ping wrote:

Really the USATT ratings means nothing: Petr Korbel and Kou Lei rated higher than Jah or Angles is just laughable. They should be ranked according to their ITTF rank first, then only after that according to their US results. Kou Lei does not even compete anymore for the Ukraine nationals nor for the Ukraine national team. He's a tremendous player for sure, no question ! but at that point if USATT wants to gain some credibility thay have to change their ratings regulations.

In France for example Gauzy is only ranked 7 M36, M meaning "Monde", world so. Sure it changes each week with WTT website, but the ratings change at least 2 times a year.
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Kou Lei and Enzo Angles have actually played each other before:



Thanks, I actually forgot that, Enzo went up 3-0 and lost 4-3.  So much for laughable.


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Kou Lei has a very good international record.  As far as the MLTT goes, he is capable of beating anyone there. 
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MLTT is on right now on youtube. Worth watching.
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Ah, you can see that the writers' strike is over - all matches have been tight so far (no 3-0), all tied at 6 now Tongue

Oh well, the writers only had time to script the first 4 matches - it was all Crocs from there. 
15-6. 
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