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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Review by a former rubber technician - Masami-san.
He pointed out 3 strengths: 1. manufactured by Sumitomo Riko, or Sumitomo Technology, 2. small porous sponge, where he compared with the big pores of "a certain" Tenergy or "a certain" Rozena that offers good dwell, 3. high overall hardness, harder than T05 Test setup - TBALC, with T05 in red and Q3 in black First impressions: Ball leaves the racket fast! He then talks about how it feels different from the "unique grab" of Tenergy and is a rubber for advanced users. MSRP is ¥6300, in line with Tenergy, Rasanter and a few others I couldn't make out. Oshima uses it on his BH, Taiga et al. Masami's focus as a former rubber technician - a new rubber that's oozing originality from a new rubber mech. Well, not exactly new as Sumitomo owns quite a few table tennis rubber patents, but new in the way the brand makes it a sales pitch. This is Mizuno's first domestically-made rubber, therefore, they can't stress "Made in Japan" enough that the phrase is even in the URL. Available in Japan Oct 7, 2017. In the meantime, check out the cool product site at Mizuno, which is pretty much empty, other than... "May the rubber reform begin." "The Q(Question) series commences, two years after the release of the GF series." Mizuno official specs: Thickness: 1.7/1.9/2.1 Type: XL(Crosslinkage) 52/3 Hardness: 47 Speed: 17 Spin: 16 Edited by zeio - 01/24/2022 at 8:54pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Mizuno's press release on the Q3.
It's said development started in April, 2015. After over 1000 prototypes, 3600 tests and 2 years, the Japanese-made Q3 was born. Mizuno aims to sell 24,000 pieces around the globe in the first year. There is also a story series on the development of Q3. Edited by zeio - 09/10/2017 at 6:46pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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rocketman222 ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 01/06/2007 Location: Walnut Creek,CA Status: Offline Points: 1152 |
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Very interesting, please keep us posted about early reviews.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Another Japanese review.
To the reviewer, the Q3 feels very hard, even a little harder than T05. Ball leaves the rubber quickly, and because of that ball arc is low. Sense of stability is lacking. A challenging rubber to use. Same as T05, Q3 is for advanced users. Price is a little high, compared to other rubbers in this segment, but because of that have great expectations. Edited by zeio - 09/11/2017 at 8:10am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Review by Table Tennis Kingdom.
Test player from Mizuno, Katsuya Hashidume, who was a member of the table tennis club at Komazawa University. Edited by zeio - 10/27/2017 at 8:28am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Q3 makes the Top 10 on its debut in the domestic ranking for Oct '17.
http://world-tt.com/ps_goods/goods_ranking.php |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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AndySmith ![]() Premier Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 11/12/2008 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4377 |
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I like the look of Q3, but I wonder how different it is to its Mantra and Karis stablemates.
edit - this isn't made by Daiki? Well, now I'm super interested. Edited by AndySmith - 11/07/2017 at 6:44am |
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This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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In the first video, what is that instrument with the big handle and dial?
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Vodak 4APC - FH: Butterfly Dignics 09c, BH: Butterfly Dignics 09c
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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One thing I like about Mizuno is their gimmick-free marketing. Very down to earth and scientific. Through its story series, they attempt to familiarize the readers of technical terms such as energy loss, crosslinking etc., which is usually seen only in patents.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Vodak 4APC - FH: Butterfly Dignics 09c, BH: Butterfly Dignics 09c
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Mizuno demos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwH6LiOo1zg&list=PLUzTVPQDkOdqKKOD0Z-zQTb78qfGZ7lIS&index=1 Edited by zeio - 11/08/2017 at 6:26am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Another interesting review by a pair of male and female players, Sugimoto and Micchi, respectively.
They noted high grip and small pores upon unpacking. Blade used was Mizuno Fortius FT. For Sugimoto, first Impression of the sheet is that ball leaves a little quick. Takes some getting used. Counterings, driving backspin, blocking, spin control strokes are easy to do. Shot flight distance feels the same as German rubbers. For Micchi, really hard to the touch, but doesn't feel hard when playing. Blocking and smashing are easy to do. Edited by zeio - 11/08/2017 at 7:14am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Mizuno sponsored a few rubber testing events with different shops in different cities starting from late September. Tons of people attended. Mizuno is serious.
http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20171106_Q3_event_TTS.aspx http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170928_Q3_event_ttKOKUSAI.aspx http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170927_Q3_event_kozonoe.aspx |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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pushed out by Laxa 7 Soft in January 2018
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bbkon ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 04/19/2005 Location: Afghanistan Status: Offline Points: 7260 |
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is there a rank of more sold.pips or penhold blades? |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Finally got around to putting this video up.
The Q4 has also been released. From the rubber matrix, Q3 is speed-oriented and Q4 is spin-oriented. At this rate, Q5 coming next year? |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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jfolsen ![]() Gold Member ![]() Joined: 03/15/2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 1229 |
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Wow, that's a lot less automated than I expected.
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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Q4 as reviewed by Table Tennis Kingdom. Q3 is speed-oriented whereas Q4 is spin-oriented.
Edited by zeio - 06/22/2018 at 1:11pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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At long last, Q5 was announced a few weeks ago and will be available starting this May. It comes with a new sponge called "Accel Arc Sponge." The price is also higher, ¥6800 as opposed to ¥6300 for Q3 and Q4.
In a nutshell: Q3 = T64 Q4 = T05 Q5 = T80 ![]() |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Dream1700 ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 12/02/2017 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 410 |
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how heavy are they?
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mjamja ![]() Platinum Member ![]() Joined: 05/30/2009 Status: Offline Points: 2871 |
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What!!! No Tenergy 25 equivalent. How dare they.
Mark - Tenergy 25 user
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zeio ![]() Premier Member ![]() Joined: 03/25/2010 Status: Offline Points: 9952 |
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According to one review, Mizutani Special ST 91g Q3(black, extra thick) W/ package 90g Uncut 67g Cut 46g Q4(black, extra thick) W/ package 91g Uncut 68g Cut 48g |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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hidasjoki ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/30/2012 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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I can throw my two cents in concerning the Q4. I've been using it for two weeks and put in about 22 hours of use. I originally had two sheets in max thickness on an Innerforce ALC and the weight of the whole set up was strangely light. The rubbers are definitely hard (more so than MXP for example ) and I ended up taking one sheet off and sticking on my main all wood blade, the Stiga Arctic. The 20+ hours were on the Arctic blade.
I've seen and read quite a few Japanese reviews of the rubbers and I think that most people will actually find them very accurate. The Q4 produces amazing amounts of spin, on par with Tenergy 05 or Tibhar MXP. I would like to mention that this isn't the case on all strokes, Q4 doesn't seem to give as much spin on passive strokes. Paired with my Stiga blade, it creates a huge arc that easily clears the net on all active top spin techniques. I found short play very easy to control but I do normally use a tacky rubber on my forehand side where I put the Q4. If you aren't used to rubbers that are sensitive to spin, you may not like this one. The under spin I am able to generate close to the table with pushes or chops is decent but I haven't been able to get as much as I do with a tacky rubber. Serving is very easy, it isn't too bouncy to play low and short length serves with plenty of spin. Blocking and smashing with it has been wonderful. The biggest negative I found, and other reviews I have seen seem to concur, is that it somewhat difficult to control while countering. I wish I could some clear explanation as to why I found it hard to do with the Q4 but my percentages where without a doubt down by at least 10% during counter topspin rallies, often ending with the ball diving into the net. |
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Dream1700 ![]() Super Member ![]() Joined: 12/02/2017 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 410 |
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is Q4 the closest thing to 05 among all the rubbers?
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hidasjoki ![]() Super Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/30/2012 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 279 |
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Yes but personally I think it feels much much different than 05.
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Q4 $37.26 this week at TT11
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Hi,
Have anybody tried Q5 yet ?! |
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Xiom Ice Cream AZXi FL
- FH ALC: Butterfly Dignics 2.1 Red - BH ZLC: Butterfly Dignics 2.1 Black Xiom Ice Cream AZXi FL - FH ALC: Adidas P7 Max Red - BH ZLC: Rasanter R53 2.0 Black |
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GeneralSpecific ![]() Platinum Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 03/01/2010 Location: New York Status: Offline Points: 2798 |
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I think calling Q5 an equivalent to Tenergy 80 might be inaccurate. From what I have heard it combines all of the spin of Q4 with all of the speed (maybe even more) of Q3. Tenergy 80 has less spin than 05 and less speed than 64. So it's not really a 1 to 1 comparison. I'll be trying Q5 in a month or two myself to see what's up.
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Blade - Xiom 36.5 ALX FL
Forehand - Xiom Omega V Asia 2.0mm Backhand - Victas Curl P5V with Der Materialspezialist Firestorm Soft/Outkill 1.8mm sponge |
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