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    Posted: 07/30/2017 at 2:17pm
Review by a former rubber technician - Masami-san.

He pointed out 3 strengths:

1. manufactured by Sumitomo Riko, or Sumitomo Technology,
2. small porous sponge, where he compared with the big pores of "a certain" Tenergy or "a certain" Rozena that offers good dwell,
3. high overall hardness, harder than T05

Test setup - TBALC, with T05 in red and Q3 in black

First impressions:

Ball leaves the racket fast!
He then talks about how it feels different from the "unique grab" of Tenergy and is a rubber for advanced users.
MSRP is ¥6300, in line with Tenergy, Rasanter and a few others I couldn't make out.
Oshima uses it on his BH, Taiga et al.

Masami's focus as a former rubber technician - a new rubber that's oozing originality from a new rubber mech. Well, not exactly new as Sumitomo owns quite a few table tennis rubber patents, but new in the way the brand makes it a sales pitch. This is Mizuno's first domestically-made rubber, therefore, they can't stress "Made in Japan" enough that the phrase is even in the URL.



Available in Japan Oct 7, 2017.

In the meantime, check out the cool product site at Mizuno, which is pretty much empty, other than...

"May the rubber reform begin."

"The Q(Question) series commences, two years after the release of the GF series."



Mizuno official specs:
Thickness: 1.7/1.9/2.1
Type: XL(Crosslinkage) 52/3
Hardness: 47
Speed: 17
Spin: 16

Edited by zeio - 02/08/2019 at 12:57pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/10/2017 at 6:28pm
Mizuno's press release on the Q3.

It's said development started in April, 2015. After over 1000 prototypes, 3600 tests and 2 years, the Japanese-made Q3 was born.

Mizuno aims to sell 24,000 pieces around the globe in the first year.

There is also a story series on the development of Q3.

Edited by zeio - 09/10/2017 at 6:46pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rocketman222 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/11/2017 at 1:42am
Very interesting, please keep us posted about early reviews.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09/11/2017 at 8:07am
Another Japanese review.

To the reviewer, the Q3 feels very hard, even a little harder than T05. Ball leaves the rubber quickly, and because of that ball arc is low. Sense of stability is lacking. A challenging rubber to use. Same as T05, Q3 is for advanced users. Price is a little high, compared to other rubbers in this segment, but because of that have great expectations.

Edited by zeio - 09/11/2017 at 8:10am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/27/2017 at 8:27am
Review by Table Tennis Kingdom.



Test player from Mizuno, Katsuya Hashidume, who was a member of the table tennis club at Komazawa University.

Edited by zeio - 10/27/2017 at 8:28am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/07/2017 at 5:05am
Q3 makes the Top 10 on its debut in the domestic ranking for Oct '17.

http://world-tt.com/ps_goods/goods_ranking.php
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote AndySmith Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/07/2017 at 5:11am
I like the look of Q3, but I wonder how different it is to its Mantra and Karis stablemates.

edit - this isn't made by Daiki?  Well, now I'm super interested.


Edited by AndySmith - 11/07/2017 at 6:44am
This was a great signature until I realised it was overrated.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tinykin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/07/2017 at 6:06am
In the first video, what is that instrument with the big handle and dial?
>60yo, losing weight 30 pounds to go

Darker Speed90 with T05 and Yinhe moon pro.

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Teclock durometer on a stand, GS-615 to be precise.

Edited by zeio - 11/07/2017 at 6:16am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/07/2017 at 9:30am
One thing I like about Mizuno is their gimmick-free marketing. Very down to earth and scientific. Through its story series, they attempt to familiarize the readers of technical terms such as energy loss, crosslinking etc., which is usually seen only in patents.
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Teclock durometer on a stand, GS-615 to be precise.

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>60yo, losing weight 30 pounds to go

Darker Speed90 with T05 and Yinhe moon pro.

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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/08/2017 at 6:26am
Another interesting review by a pair of male and female players, Sugimoto and Micchi, respectively.



They noted high grip and small pores upon unpacking. Blade used was Mizuno Fortius FT.

For Sugimoto, first Impression of the sheet is that ball leaves a little quick. Takes some getting used.
Counterings, driving backspin, blocking, spin control strokes are easy to do. Shot flight distance feels the same as German rubbers.

For Micchi, really hard to the touch, but doesn't feel hard when playing. Blocking and smashing are easy to do.

Edited by zeio - 11/08/2017 at 7:14am
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11/09/2017 at 2:17pm
Mizuno sponsored a few rubber testing events with different shops in different cities starting from late September. Tons of people attended. Mizuno is serious.

http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20171106_Q3_event_TTS.aspx
http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170928_Q3_event_ttKOKUSAI.aspx
http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170927_Q3_event_kozonoe.aspx
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Q3 makes the Top 10 on its debut in the domestic ranking for Oct '17.

http://world-tt.com/ps_goods/goods_ranking.php

pushed out by Laxa 7 Soft in January 2018 Smile
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Mizuno sponsored a few rubber testing events with different shops in different cities starting from late September. Tons of people attended. Mizuno is serious.

http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20171106_Q3_event_TTS.aspx
http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170928_Q3_event_ttKOKUSAI.aspx
http://www.mizuno.jp/tabletennis/topics/event/20170927_Q3_event_kozonoe.aspx



is there a rank of more sold.pips or penhold blades?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/22/2018 at 11:46am
Finally got around to putting this video up.



The Q4 has also been released. From the rubber matrix, Q3 is speed-oriented and Q4 is spin-oriented. At this rate, Q5 coming next year?
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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Wow, that's a lot less automated than I expected.
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Q4 as reviewed by Table Tennis Kingdom. Q3 is speed-oriented whereas Q4 is spin-oriented.



Edited by zeio - 06/22/2018 at 1:11pm
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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At long last, Q5 was announced a few weeks ago and will be available starting this May. It comes with a new sponge called "Accel Arc Sponge." The price is also higher, ¥6800 as opposed to ¥6300 for Q3 and Q4.

In a nutshell:
Q3 = T64
Q4 = T05
Q5 = T80

Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
= 184.8g
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how heavy are they?
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What!!!  No Tenergy 25 equivalent.  How dare they.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote zeio Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02/09/2019 at 4:56am
Originally posted by Dream1700 Dream1700 wrote:

how heavy are they?

According to one review,

Mizutani Special ST 91g

Q3(black, extra thick)
W/ package 90g
Uncut 67g
Cut 46g

Q4(black, extra thick)
W/ package 91g
Uncut 68g
Cut 48g
Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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I can throw my two cents in concerning the Q4. I've been using it for two weeks and put in about 22 hours of use. I originally had two sheets in max thickness on an Innerforce ALC and the weight of the whole set up was strangely light. The rubbers are definitely hard (more so than MXP for example ) and I ended up taking one sheet off and sticking on my main all wood blade, the Stiga Arctic. The 20+ hours were on the Arctic blade.
I've seen and read quite a few Japanese reviews of the rubbers and I think that most people will actually find them very accurate. The Q4 produces amazing amounts of spin, on par with Tenergy 05 or Tibhar MXP. I would like to mention that this isn't the case on all strokes, Q4 doesn't seem to give as much spin on passive strokes. Paired with my Stiga blade, it creates a huge arc that easily clears the net on all active top spin techniques. 
I found short play very easy to control but I do normally use a tacky rubber on my forehand side where I put the Q4. If you aren't used to rubbers that are sensitive to spin, you may not like this one. The under spin I am able to generate close to the table with pushes or chops is decent but I haven't been able to get as much as I do with a tacky rubber. Serving is very easy, it isn't too bouncy to play low and short length serves with plenty of spin. Blocking and smashing with it has been wonderful. 
The biggest negative I found, and other reviews I have seen seem to concur, is that it somewhat difficult to control while countering. I wish I could some clear explanation as to why I found it hard to do with the Q4 but my percentages where without a doubt down by at least 10% during counter topspin rallies, often ending with the ball diving into the net. 


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is Q4 the closest thing to 05 among all the rubbers?
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Yes but personally I think it feels much much different than 05. 
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