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bzdz 
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 Topic: NEW BH Topspin Tutorial!Posted: 10/06/2020 at 12:05am |
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Here's a good video on the fundamentals of the backhand counter topspin. Please watch and share with friends!
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blahness
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 4:30am |
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You didn't touch on the squatting/unsquatting action for BH (hinge action from the hips) which was absolutely crucial to power generation :(
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bzdz
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 12:23pm |
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I did mention that you need to rotate your hips into the ball for power. Probably could’ve talked about it in more detail. What exactly do you mean by squat/unsquat?
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cole_ely
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 1:26pm |
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I have enjoyed both posts and have recommended the fh vid to a couple of players
Maybe if you twerk right before impact it could be a new technique. Edited by cole_ely - 10/06/2020 at 1:28pm |
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blahness
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 7:33pm |
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Literally the action of squatting down, and then coming back up and bringing the stomach forwards. Pretty much all modern players have this action....
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 7:37pm |
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I don’t agree that this is a correct stroke. Could you link me a video where you see the squatting? I think hip rotation is much more important than going down to up.
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blahness
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 8:15pm |
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Hmm I found that without this movement it's super hard to add real quality on the BH topspin (especially heavy spin)...coz the legs are after all the most powerful part of the human body. It's probably the most evident from Timo Boll's BH stroke...
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 8:22pm |
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I see, I agree that your legs should be engaged during backhand. Especially to drive the ball forward, and use your legs to help rotate your hips. I just don't think this corresponds to "squatting/unsquatting." The power in timo's stroke is from legs to rotate hips and core, not from the squatting motion. I think I may have misunderstood what you meant by squatting because I definitely agree that we should be using legs.
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blahness
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Posted: 10/06/2020 at 8:30pm |
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Hmm I think some players forego the rotation (for eg Harimoto) for more speed (to allow them to take the ball earlier), but still use the squat/unsquat movement...
But yeah for max power you want everything (squat/unsquat + hip rotation)
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 6:13am |
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Legs, hips (some use a lot some not so much) and core for me with a free flowing relaxed stoke. As a general rule I've found power comes from the ground up if this makes sense. Legs, (Some use alot of hips) core and arm. If you mean drop your weight to the seat while using your legs I can understand but I not so much the other sorry to say on this one. It's a nuance at best.
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 9:20am |
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Nuance or not but such little jumpy gives tempo
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 10:34am |
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From the engaged legs and upper muscles,core and hips I can see 100% to create quality.
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cole_ely
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 10:43am |
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It's not really important to the point, but I think our strongest muscle may be our jaws or maybe our diaphragm. I can find those on the internet, plus tongue and heart.
I don't think it's the legs. It TT terms I bet it's the diaphragm. Glutes are also listed, which go to legs.
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One of them is the Masseter if i've spelt that correctly!   Heart for dynamic strength i guess and calf with the glutes. knowledge from me on this... who would have guessed! |
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 12:13pm |
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It all depends on how you define strong.
Is it overall ability for total amount of power? Then likely legs Is it power per size? Jaw sounds like a great candidate is it resiliancy and ability to endure? Heart sounds like it there.
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 12:21pm |
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There are so many different BH shots and possible from different distances and all require differnt ways to do them.
I can be at the table and use such a short stroke, that it almost looks like I am just getting the bat to position, yet make a powerful counter. I can be at table use a 6 inch stroke to counter topspin without leveraging the body or squating or ground up power thing. (I will still need a stable platform though - which involves some crouch and leg spread like most shots) I can be off the table for a 12-14 inch stroke that makes a powerful opening against a slower or medium ball... that shot requires me to generate and transfer kinetic energy, which I do using a small squat down and up. Similar shot vs incoming topspin off the table with a litle shorter stroke using less squat... Many differnent ball situations, distance from table and expected result of shot require different ways to use body and strike the ball. A little more further from table and I go several inches longer on stroke and use more body to generate and transfer power.
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Posted: 10/07/2020 at 4:51pm |
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I watched the video. I think you are doing great content and details which a lot of others miss. Keep up the good work.
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Posted: 10/08/2020 at 3:41pm |
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Thanks! I'm probably gonna do a blocking video next, and then I'll do a footwork video, so stay tuned
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Posted: 10/08/2020 at 5:21pm |
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nice keep up the good work
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Posted: 10/08/2020 at 6:41pm |
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When we talk about the bh technique on the forums, we like to decompose the stroke in many components and use the best of each to build an enhanced result. Doing so we give a lot of importance to the legs because it's true that they play a role but it's mostly due to our culture of perfection. That culture forms an ideal and the gap for our game to reach it is BIIIIG but it's still a goal to fill it as much as we can, it's the inaccessible star
 .Watching the video, I thought bzdz wanted an approach that focuses more on beginner and intermediate players: we learn to walk before to run. From that perspective he teaches the bh technique talking less about legs and more about bat angle, paddle trajectory, timing; that involves more the core, forearm and wrist in a neutral position that will ALWAYS feature the legs and hips but a lot less as in his videos, we focus before all on keeping the ball -low- on the table in fluid routines. I am a fan already!!! bzdz is a technical bridge allowing people to grab concepts that they would take years to understand on their own.
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Posted: 10/09/2020 at 12:24pm |
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sometimes I feel like we over complicate technique. The ideas are usually not as complex as we make them seem, and I try to make it easy to understand
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Easy to understand is I enjoy your videos so far my friend. Best way to give lots of people a clear and understable idea of how improve and train better to get stronger in their games. Complex works if you are a top top player and working on fine margins or highly cerebral. Very few people if any get paid to play on this forum or have won any national titles or even regional to be honest. Most people are looking for good and straightforward ways and tips to improve to a nice level for them. A good coach friend on mine said to me once "sometimes you just have to call a brick a brick" He won alot of titles as a player and has coached teams and players to medals all over the place with this mentality. Others have a highly cerebral way of looking at things. This isn't a bad thing but doesn't always work for the masses who can get bogged down with it a bit. Always great to chew the fat with both btw. Edited by ghostzen - 10/09/2020 at 1:10pm |
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Posted: 10/09/2020 at 1:13pm |
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totally agree, I think TT gets pretty cerebral sometimes. A lot of times, we should focus on how we feel when we’re doing a stroke, not how it looks. Many players try to look like ma long, but should actually be wondering how to get the feeling he has during his shots
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