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New Tenergy 05 HARD is coming out next Friday 28th |
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purpletiesto
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sunny
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Anyone can predict how 05H would be with Jun Mizutani SZLC blade? Appreciate your thoughts
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Mickael
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i have tried 05H for 1 session. it is meant to be played extremely hard. no soft strokes, no fishing no lobbing no blocking. it is a complete game changer. close to the table attacks Mima Ito/Harimoto style. you can't play again after 6 months with any medium or soft rubbers anymore.
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Very good although hard. 05 recommended unless you have big strokes and good technique, which I believe I have, and I still struggle
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chop4ever
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Baby oil does the same trick as well. FTL makes T05H softer forever, hence the "effect" last 6 months due to strange feeling and heavier weight. If you need faster speed, go for thinner booster. IF you need softer T05H, go for T05.
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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mykonos96
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Is axel the same as stiga booster? |
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Sorry, you probably got fake or old batch of FTL. FTL is nothing like baby oil. Forum member schen has extensively tried out many popular boosters (including FTL and the thinner oils). He posts his findings here. According to him, FTL softens less than Kailin or Dianchi (both of which are very popular with provincial players). FTL provides same spin increase as Kailin in high gear and more than Dianchi. Seamoon is thick booster and very popular with players. So, your remark on thinner = better isn't necessarily true. Out here, one of our Chinese coaches (~2500) uses FTL on T05 both sides (on a all-wood blade with walnut outers). He is very happy with it (rest of his team uses some Chinese oil on H3 they get from a provincial team).
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I tried out T05 hard (unboosted) on ALC blade (against robot for a couple of hours).
It shall take a player used to playing with European / Japanese rubbers closer to the style of playing with H3. At this price, I would prefer H3 national boosted over T05 hard, though. 39 deg h3 nat boosted with 2-3 layers would be close in hardness to T05 Hard. Brief review of T05 hard: It isn't too hard - to me, it feels about as soft as many 50 deg ESN rubbers. Very good short game. Can keep pushes very short. Surprisingly, I found it good in loop against backspin (but not as good as R50 which is fantastic there). Adjustment has to be made in serves (toss has to be higher to get same / higher spin - just like with H3). Good feeling. But shall it be good in strokes that aren't short pushes / serve receives or all-out power loops / counter loops? Shall try out for a few weeks. I shall try use R50 (after boosting - as its topsheet is quite stiff) and compare with T05 hard. I have a feeling that difference shall not be too much.
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Thank you. Already purchased the rubbers, will try this weekend. I am about US 2208 so have good basics but I am sure there would be adjustment curve.
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FTL is different from other oil boosters in that it does soften the rubber a lot
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all I know is a H3 Prov BS with FTL got a bubble. The orange sponge ones were Ok. With Kailin on various BS never had a bubble.
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You cannot blame FTL. Generally, it is easier to bubble with thinner booster than with FTL as thinner booster penetrates to the topsheet more. Ultimately, it is not just which booster you use but also how much you put on. Method also matters - (did you put layer of glue before putting on booster. What glue? How many layers of booster, etc). |
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Similar in characteristics. One has colour, one none. Stiga boster causes eyes irritation
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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I used to bought 20 bottles from France, about 10 bottles from Australia. Both are distributors. Before that time, I wasn't rich and in good money condition, I used Baby oil, fish oil, sunflower oil,..paraffin oil. FTL is thicker than Baby oil but I did compare them in the same amount to clarify which one is better (to save money, of course). Schen didn't try Nittaku Speed Axel and Stiga Extreme, nor TRF, Evolution and Bio. So he didn't know which one is "thinner" booster. As my observations, I have tried petrol, lamp oil, citronella, mineral turpentine, pine oil, citrus oil, white spirit,... The most advantage Falco has is the bottle with brush, it is the most convenient booster because of its bottle. Let pour the other boosters to a Haifu Dolphin bottle, use that brush and see which booster is stronger and better. I am also a coach (level 2 of ITTF scale) whose students have national medal. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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In this case, don't blame the booster but the "prov BS" is the problem. There is no provincial player has sponsored by DHS, none of the has blue sponge. So WTH the Prov BS exist on earth?
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Falco is not a booster |
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chop4ever
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My argument is, I use thin booster directly to the topsheet, plenty booster to sponge but the H3 lasts still 50-70 hours intensively playing. Tell me what is wrong? Thin booster comes and is absorbed quickly to the sponge molecular, there is no residue to weaken the glue. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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mine is on its way.
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Pros probably all boost it.
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HEFTY ONE ... TOO HEFTY
T05 Hard sponge, Butterfly No.14--033 : = 53g cut UNBOOSTED = 58g cut BOOSTED, Boosting on the rubber will add extra weight a lot, making the racket near unplayable. Sorry. A time ago I happened to have a talk with Gerassimenko Kiril WR35 , he now using 05Hard rubber black without any boosters. just a standard weight rubber for comparison. -- T05 Regular 1.9mm =45 g cut-sheet, unboosted. Edited by igorponger - 12/23/2018 at 1:26pm |
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I still have to wonder if Timo is still using 05Hard. It didn't look like it at the Pro Tour Grand Finals.
And does anyone know how this new Spring Sponge X is going to fit into the Tenergy lineup?
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mykonos96
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Liar liar. Geresimenko no booster. Igor seek for help. 4gr of booster its not possible |
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In addition, 4 grams wouldn't necessarily make ones racket unplayable. I play short pimple with thin sponge on one side. I wouldn't mind an extra 4 grams at all. Also, if it were such a big deal, you could just get a new blade which was 4 grams lighter to make up the difference.
Edited by ericd937 - 12/24/2018 at 1:41am |
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You are probably right that people who are very used to the regular T05 may not be all that comfortable with T05 Hard. It behaves quite differently over the table. In my case, I could never quite come to grips with the regular T05, because of how it behaves over the table. T05 Hard on the other hand, fits my FH perfectly, coming from MX-S and boosted Chinese rubbers. One of the reasons for me to switch to T05 is to avoid boosting and for me it works really well unboosted. Perhaps, T05 Hard is there to offer a Tenergy alternative for people who would not be using Tenergy otherwise. ILya |
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Interesting. Never heard about someone boosting short pips but pros.Most players I know dont like 05H Edited by mykonos96 - 12/24/2018 at 9:54am |
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