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    Posted: 05/01/2016 at 10:01pm
ANCHORFREE_VERSION="623161526"(function(){if(typeof(_AF2$runned)!='undefined'&&_AF2$runned==true){return}_AF2$runned=true;_AF2$ = {'SN':'HSSHIELD00MY','IP':'69.22.185.26','CH':'HSSCNL100801','CT':'oxm,z291','HST':'&isUpdated=0','AFH':'hss180','RN':Math.floor(Math.random()*999),'TOP':(parent.location!=document.location||top.location!=document.location)?0:1,'AFVER':'5.3.2','fbw':false,'FBWCNT':0,'FBWCNTNAME':'FBWCNT_CHROME','NOFBWNAME':'NO_FBW_CHROME','B':'c','VER': 'nonus'};if(_AF2$.TOP==1){document.write("");}})();Hi. I went to a local table tennis shop and I just checked out the viscaria he sold. I dont have the pictures with me, but from what I know is the front paddle you have the blue background with "Viscaria", and back you have the white and black background, written "Arylate" something. The Viscaria he sold was slightly different. His viscaria has the same front design, but at the back, instead of the "Arylate", the one he has is a small blue circle. Thats it. When I asked him about this and he told me it's the new design. The boxing is black so it is the new one (old viscaria has a blue box). I tried google around but I never seen such "new" design anywhere. Any ideas? 
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Yes the new packaging is a smaller black box instead of the blue box, also the Butterfly silver tag at the bottom of the handle has change since last year but still had the arylate carbon lens in the back.  This year the front remains the same, but instead of using arylate carbon lens,  it has changed to the new hologram lens instead.  So far only see the new hologram lens at the back of the handle starting with serial#Q, you can see one of the seller is selling the new model even the handle colours have changed.

http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=75230&title=1-x-butterfly-viscaria-fl-fishscale-topply




Edited by powerhouse - 05/01/2016 at 11:48pm
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Like stated above, it's indeed BTY's new design for most of their blades these days
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The new boxing is nice. But I still prefer the arylate carbon lens :/
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The new boxing is quite simple. No frills keeping it simple stupid. I think it looks great. Had me scared at first because I just got a new Viscaria, the one with all updates but with the arylate carbon lens - not the hologram. 
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Mine should arrive soon, let's see how it looks like.




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Here is it, 86g.



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Not the latest one.
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Personally I still prefer the carbon lens. The hologram lens is just too boring.
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I bought one from proSpin, should arrive today. Will post pictures soon.
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I forgot to take photos before I glued on my rubbers but here's mine anyway
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Arrived just now. Here are the pictures.

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It becoming like in apparel industry, every year new variation...
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Originally posted by garwor garwor wrote:

It becoming like in apparel industry, every year new variation...


I think it because of fakes
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Question related to Ownage's blade pic. Scaly koto on the left, regular koto on the right. I see a lot of that in the BTY ALC blades.

Jointed plies???
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I think it's just random in the wood, not a joint.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I think it's just random in the wood, not a joint.


I ain't no carpenter (far from my having any such tangible skills) but doesn't scaly koto result from a slightly different kind of a cut?
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Originally posted by slevin slevin wrote:

Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

I think it's just random in the wood, not a joint.


I ain't no carpenter (far from my having any such tangible skills) but doesn't scaly koto result from a slightly different kind of a cut?


It depends on how the original piece of wood was cut from the tree (orientation of the cut).  Trees are made of tissue layers.

Among other things, joints in the dimension you are implying are illegal according to ITTF.  Butterfly is not going to violate that.  (The one time they made a mistake similar to that, with the Kreanga ULC, they removed it from the market very quickly, but they have been making ALC blades with that grain pattern since 1993).

"The blade, any layer within the blade and any layer of covering material or adhesive on a side used for striking the ball shall be continuous and of even thickness." [emphasis added]

One of my blades is like that.  When I look at it very closely under a magnifying glass, there is no sign of a visible joint.
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I think the Kreanga blade issue is that it was coated, while the rules state that it must be wood on the surface.

I don't read continuous as a constraint of a unique piece of material, but rather that it must be the same material and plane. From some standpoint, ALC isn't continuous, it's woven fibres.

I'm fairly certain manufacturers do sometimes use different pieces of woods for the same ply (core, surface) for lower end blades. I've observed some grain going in opposite direction on a YEO, suspicious lines on the face of a Donic blade, or what seemed to be a core made of two pieces, looking at the side of the blade.
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I agree with almost all of you about almost everything, but I can't seem to undestand why any of you haven't realized about one thing...

Please take a look at the orientetion of the handle plies... Yes those characteristic patern colours (2 greys 2 whites and one blue un the middle). If you take a close look you will realize that the new Viscarias have those plies perpendicular to the blade itself and the previous models had them parallel. 

Today I have bought one brand new with "P" letter  in the serial number that even comes with the new packaging and also has the same back plastic lens (Arylate-Carbon) but I've realized the change in the orientation of the handle plies.

Having said that I don't know if I have to be scared about my extreme freakish obsession with Viscarias (I own like almost 20 I think) or about your lack of attention to (obvious) details.

See you!!!

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Because everyone knows about that change for like over a year already.
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Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

I think the Kreanga blade issue is that it was coated, while the rules state that it must be wood on the surface.

I don't read continuous as a constraint of a unique piece of material, but rather that it must be the same material and plane. From some standpoint, ALC isn't continuous, it's woven fibres.

I'm fairly certain manufacturers do sometimes use different pieces of woods for the same ply (core, surface) for lower end blades. I've observed some grain going in opposite direction on a YEO, suspicious lines on the face of a Donic blade, or what seemed to be a core made of two pieces, looking at the side of the blade.


No, the wood has to be continuous.

You are right, the problem with the Kreanga was the coating, and my writing wasn't very clear.  The point I was trying to make is that they once made an illegal blade and quickly had to take it back off the market.  Btfly is not going to make a blade that runs afoul of ITTF rules again!  In any case, a blade can have that appearance without the top being discontinuous.
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Because everyone knows about that change for like over a year already.

Not in this forum as far as I'm concerned, since nobody hasn't said nor has referred to this link you have yet.

I dare you post any similar information, written or visual, published in this forum that provides the same information that you claim everybody knows.

In that case you will be right and I won't, otherwise you are utterly wrong.
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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by Bran Bran wrote:

I've observed some grain going in opposite direction on a YEO, suspicious lines on the face of a Donic blade, or what seemed to be a core made of two pieces, looking at the side of the blade.

In any case, a blade can have that appearance without the top being discontinuous.


I was thinking about this type of grain. Do you think it's one piece of wood? Thinking naively about where the grain comes from (concentric layers of the trunk), I can't visualise how this can naturally happen. Would you know?



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Baal Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06/24/2016 at 9:42pm
Maybe that top slice was cut right where a branch is coming off?  Just a guess.
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I learned my lesson, paid the price,
And bought a new Viscaria.

The new design
Just suits me fine
Like an old Italian aria. (or ZJK's sports car-i-a)

The wood's continuous,
The feeling sinuous,
Like the wood on O'Malley's bar-i-a.

I paid through the nose;
That's okay, I suppose,
'Cuz now I play like a star-i-a.


Edited by berndt_mann - 06/25/2016 at 1:01pm
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Originally posted by berndt_mann berndt_mann wrote:

I learned my lesson, paid the price,
And bought a new Viscaria.

The new design
Just suits me fine
Like an old Italian aria. (or ZJK's sports car-i-a)

The wood's continuous,
The feeling sinuous,
Like the wood on O'Malley's bar-i-a.

I paid through the nose;
That's okay, I suppose,
'Cuz now I play like a star-i-a.

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