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    Posted: 08/24/2015 at 11:00am
Anton Kallberg was given the ITTF Wildcard over Timo Boll according to this:


How do you feel about it?  Do you think Timo Boll should simply be healthier or is Kallberg too new and young for this?
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I don't watch the Pro Tour much these days but it seems from Super League matches that Timo doesn't really have it anymore. OTOH Kallberg is one of ITTF's poster boys (like Kanak), not sure if that factored into the decision.
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Boll actually had quite a good record in this year's Super League (unlike Ovtcharov). And I'm pretty sure he'll have a better record in the Bundesliga this year than Kallberg, who just lost to Steger on the opening weekend (6, 3, 7).

It used to be that most of the spots at the World Cup were awarded through world ranking and that no top 10 player would be shut out. The new selection policy has further reduced the value of the event. One Swede (K. Karlsson) should have been sufficient to satisfy the host association.
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Crybaby.

A wild card was given to Mattenet in 2011 when Paris was the host nation, with Legout invited on behalf of the host association.  At that time, Mattenet's ranking was below Maze and Smirnov, both of whom were on the reserve list.

The same thing happened in the following year when England was the host nation.  Drinkhall was invited on behalf of the host association, and Pitchford as a wild card player, the latter of which had a much lower ranking than the two reserve players, Crisan and Freitas.

What gives?
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Crybaby.

A wild card was given to Mattenet in 2011 when Paris was the host nation, with Legout invited on behalf of the host association.  At that time, Mattenet's ranking was below Maze and Smirnov, both of whom were on the reserve list.

The same thing happened in the following year when England was the host nation.  Drinkhall was invited on behalf of the host association, and Pitchford as a wild card player, the latter of which had a much lower ranking than the two reserve players, Crisan and Freitas.

What gives?
obviously 'what gives' is the host country getting their own players on board for commercial and promotional reasons. I can't see anything wrong with it.
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Exactly.  Nothing wrong with that.

Starting with 2013, continental qualifiers were held around the world except Europe, and thus exceptions were made for that year's Wold Cup, with that year's WTTC results as the basis for invitation.  Only Saive was invited as the host player and Ovtcharov was given a wild card as the third player from the same association(after Boll and Baum).

Belgium didn't receive the same love.  Did the host association file any complaint?
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OMG, Jim Butler will be there. What is the point of this tournament exactly? Get a lot of good players, or get only lower rated players, so you have a competition. Now  you get two CNT, some med-level europeans, some very low level australians and then at the bottom Jim Butler. 

Its like the goal of the tournament was to avoid upsets.

Even the final will be pointless, as neither ML nor XX need it. 
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Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

OMG, Jim Butler will be there. What is the point of this tournament exactly? Get a lot of good players, or get only lower rated players, so you have a competition. Now  you get two CNT, some med-level europeans, some very low level australians and then at the bottom Jim Butler. 

Its like the goal of the tournament was to avoid upsets.

Even the final will be pointless, as neither ML nor XX need it. 

Butler won the NA Cup...
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Same thing happens in tennis (see donald young)
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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

Belgium didn't receive the same love.  Did the host association file any complaint?


On behalf of which top player should they have complained?

The World Cup is more and more about handing out favors to as many national and Continental associations as possible. The athletic quality is dropping as a result. Is the event really more attractive with Kallberg instead of Boll?
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Ma long would have a reason to win the World Cup because if he also wins the Olympics zhang is not the player to achieve his grand slam in the shortest period of time anymore
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In 2014, Samsonov missed the World Cup for the first time since 2009.  He was invited to that year's Europe Cup but did not participate for whatever reason.  Boll barely made it finishing in 6th place.  The wild card was subsequently offered to Gionis who finished in 7th place, behind Boll.  Would you have found last year's World Cup more attractive with Samsonov(WR 11, runner-up the previous year) than Gionis(WR 21)?

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Originally posted by zeio zeio wrote:

In 2014, Samsonov missed the World Cup for the first time since 2009.  He was invited to that year's Europe Cup but did not participate for whatever reason.  Boll barely made it finishing in 6th place.  The wild card was subsequently offered to Gionis who finished in 7th place, behind Boll.  Would you have found last year's World Cup more attractive with Samsonov(WR 11, runner-up the previous year) than Gionis(WR 21)?


Of course not.
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what is the final entries list?
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Originally posted by Tt Gold Tt Gold wrote:

Ma long would have a reason to win the World Cup because if he also wins the Olympics zhang is not the player to achieve his grand slam in the shortest period of time anymore

No, Zhang still would be. He won the WTTC 2011 in mid- May, and the Olympics in early August. But Ma Long won WTTC 2015 in early May, and the Rio 2016 Olympics will be in mid-late August, which is a longer time interval than the 2011-2012 events that Zhang Jike won.
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Originally posted by cmetsbeltran15 cmetsbeltran15 wrote:

Originally posted by Victor_the_cleaner Victor_the_cleaner wrote:

OMG, Jim Butler will be there. What is the point of this tournament exactly? Get a lot of good players, or get only lower rated players, so you have a competition. Now  you get two CNT, some med-level europeans, some very low level australians and then at the bottom Jim Butler. 

Its like the goal of the tournament was to avoid upsets.

Even the final will be pointless, as neither ML nor XX need it. 


Butler won the NA Cup...


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There is only 1 Aussie on the players list, Henzell.
I would not call Henzell a very low level Australian player, He is better than a lot of European and Asian players.

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Complete invitation list for the LIEBHERR 2015 ITTF Men’s World Cup October 16-18, Halmstad Arena (current world ranking inside the parenthesis):

1. Ma Long, CHN (1)
2. Xu Xin, CHN (2)
3. Dimitrij Ovtcharov, GER (5)
4. Jun Mizutani, JPN (6)
5. Marcos Freitas, POR (10)
6. Koki Niwa, JPN (11)
7. Tang Peng, HKG (14)
8. Gao Ning, SIN (17)
9. Tiago Apolonia, POR (18)
10. Panagiotis Gionis, GRE (23)
11. Robert Gardos, AUT (24)
12. Omar Assar, EGY (30)
13. Kim Minseok, KOR (32)
14. Simon Gauzy, FRA (36)
15. Sharath Kamal Achanta, IND (41)
16. Gustavo Tsuboi, BRA (52)
17. Kristian Karlsson, SWE (69)
18. Anton Källberg, SWE (105)
19. William Henzell, AUS (117)
20. Jimmy Butler, USA (415)
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Originally posted by monster23 monster23 wrote:

Complete invitation list for the LIEBHERR 2015 ITTF Men’s World Cup October 16-18, Halmstad Arena (current world ranking inside the parenthesis):

1. Ma Long, CHN (1)
2. Xu Xin, CHN (2)
3. Dimitrij Ovtcharov, GER (5)
4. Jun Mizutani, JPN (6)
5. Marcos Freitas, POR (10)
6. Koki Niwa, JPN (11)
7. Tang Peng, HKG (14)
8. Gao Ning, SIN (17)
9. Tiago Apolonia, POR (18)
10. Panagiotis Gionis, GRE (23)
11. Robert Gardos, AUT (24)
12. Omar Assar, EGY (30)
13. Kim Minseok, KOR (32)
14. Simon Gauzy, FRA (36)
15. Sharath Kamal Achanta, IND (41)
16. Gustavo Tsuboi, BRA (52)
17. Kristian Karlsson, SWE (69)
18. Anton Källberg, SWE (105)
19. William Henzell, AUS (117)
20. Jimmy Butler, USA (415)

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My goodness! Only one KOR in that list!
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

My goodness! Only one KOR in that list!


What happened to Joo? He's still better than Kim Minseok.
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In Asia and Europe, it largely depends on who played and qualified, not one who is higher or lower ranked.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

In Asia and Europe, it largely depends on who played and qualified, not one who is higher or lower ranked.


So Joo didn't play the Asian Cup to qualify, huh?
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Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

In Asia and Europe, it largely depends on who played and qualified, not one who is higher or lower ranked.


So Joo didn't play the Asian Cup to qualify, huh?

He lost to Achanta in the round robin stages.

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Ouch. Well I guess he was in a strong group and didn't play very well. I still think he's better than Kim Minseok

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by ZingyDNA ZingyDNA wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

In Asia and Europe, it largely depends on who played and qualified, not one who is higher or lower ranked.


So Joo didn't play the Asian Cup to qualify, huh?


He lost to Achanta in the round robin stages.

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In case people didn't know, ZJK has said he wanted to play in the 2012 and 2013 WC.  He actually was the rightful owner of the invitations but had to give them up to ML and XX, respectively, because of "title sharing".
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i didn't know that, thank you mr. zeio! I always expected that. I always wondered how come everything seems so balanced . 

Here is my bet, this year the Cup will be won by NON CHINESE!

As neither ML no XX needs a crappy worthless world cup, LGL will toss a bone to the world, and will order his soldiers to stand down. Ooooh, somebody will get so happy... 

ITTF has been trying relentlessly to cut CNT off the medals. THere is a reason China doesn't send players to every pro tour. And i have a tickle that LGL just might me tactical enough to throw the europeans a world cup. And if he does, it will probably be obvious, and from then on we will never know what win was worth something and what was not. 
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@ Victor_the_cleaner - I think the harsh reality is that you are right...

Any of the top CNT guys show up and they win...

Usually with CNT playing each other in the final...
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So out of three top European players they have just one? No Boll, no Samsonov... wow. Why exactly they hold these events again?
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Ovtcharov needed a push from the back.  There's no more excuses.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

So out of three top European players they have just one? No Boll, no Samsonov... wow. Why exactly they hold these events again?

Ovtcharov and Freitas are there so this is not technically true.
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