P7 Substitute

Clarence247 wrote: Just as soon as I found my definite BH rubber (Hammond Pro Beta)... I lost my dearest FH rubber.... the Adidas P7 as Adidas have backed out of TT! Can players who have experience with the P7 recommend good alternatives? I am considering T05 (might aswell consider it at this point) - no T05FX I did not quite like it although it might be more similar to P7 - I feel it is not as good Rasant Grip MX-P MX-S As an aside - I tried Rakza 7 on FH for a while and its not a good substitute at all - different feel, different way of playing, less control....so I have to hold back a bit... with P7 I can use all spin and speed I want and retain such great control....it makes it  a weapon... missing it already!!!!!!!

As mentioned in the Adidas post, the Adidas rubbers will still be ITTF approved until mid to late 2017. So you still have a about 2 years before you need to change your FH rubber. Also teesport.com is having a sale on all adidas products right now. You can order P7 rubbers 30 to 40 percent off regular price. You can just hoard some for 2 years worth of playiing.

http://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6#m35

Clarence247 wrote: Just as soon as I found my definite BH rubber (Hammond Pro Beta)... I lost my dearest FH rubber.... the Adidas P7 as Adidas have backed out of TT! Can players who have experience with the P7 recommend good alternatives? T05 Rasant Grip MX-P MX-S

T05 - probably the closes to P7.
looping arch/*throw angle? - very similar
spin - similar ease of spin , T05 can probably put out slightly a bit more spin both on top end spin and serving spin
speed - t05 is faster , but P7 control is maybe only a tad better with much less spin sensitivity
the only notable difference is , i feel P7 is much easier at lifting backspins. other than that , T05 is a similar/better in most aspects , except being faster and spinnier with slightly less control.

Rasant Grip - looping arch differs alot , monster spin though. din't hit too much with it because of the difference.

MX-P / MX-S - no experience

other alternative - Battle II , or chinese H3 types in general (nothing like P7 , very big difference in everything from serving angles to loops techniques)
it really requires you to do everything yourself , helped with learning my forehand technique alot.

42andbackpains wrote: Clarence247 wrote: Just as soon as I found my definite BH rubber (Hammond Pro Beta)... I lost my dearest FH rubber.... the Adidas P7 as Adidas have backed out of TT! Can players who have experience with the P7 recommend good alternatives? I am considering T05 (might aswell consider it at this point) - no T05FX I did not quite like it although it might be more similar to P7 - I feel it is not as good Rasant Grip MX-P MX-S As an aside - I tried Rakza 7 on FH for a while and its not a good substitute at all - different feel, different way of playing, less control....so I have to hold back a bit... with P7 I can use all spin and speed I want and retain such great control....it makes it  a weapon... missing it already!!!!!!! As mentioned in the Adidas post, the Adidas rubbers will still be ITTF approved until mid to late 2017. So you still have a about 2 years before you need to change your FH rubber. Also teesport.com is having a sale on all adidas products right now. You can order P7 rubbers 30 to 40 percent off regular price. You can just hoard some for 2 years worth of playiing. http://www.teessport.com/rubbers-c6#m35

Teessport is selling a sheet of P7 for about 34€ whereas our forum member Tibi is selling it for 32€, so might as well get it from him :P

Let me answer, P7 suits your needs great, the dwell time is big because of the soft topsheet,  yet the sponge is harder then Rakza 7, that results in less catapult. Also, the throw is higher in P7 , lifting underspin is a peace of cake if you have any basic moves covered.
Tenzones are very different


Edited by vajica - 08/02/2015 at 6:55am

Joola maxxx 450 or 500. It has soft topsheet and hard sponge. Very good rubber.

jackass22 wrote: Joola maxxx 450 or 500. It has soft topsheet and hard sponge. Very good rubber.

Worth a try, I am just afraid that the throw is lower

Clarence247 wrote: Just as soon as I found my definite BH rubber (Hammond Pro Beta)... I lost my dearest FH rubber.... the Adidas P7 as Adidas have backed out of TT! Can players who have experience with the P7 recommend good alternatives? I am considering T05 (might aswell consider it at this point) - no T05FX I did not quite like it although it might be more similar to P7 - I feel it is not as good Rasant Grip MX-P MX-S As an aside - I tried Rakza 7 on FH for a while and its not a good substitute at all - different feel, different way of playing, less control....so I have to hold back a bit... with P7 I can use all spin and speed I want and retain such great control....it makes it  a weapon... missing it already!!!!!!

Edited by lineup32 - 08/02/2015 at 1:46pm

Tibhar fx-p could be an alternative to P7

If what you like about P7 is soft topsheet with hard sponge, try MX-S, Joola Maxx or Rasant Powergrip. They all throw lower than P7, but have more spin. The sponge is harder though.

Tibhar Genius and the generation of tensors with Baracuda and Hexer are not that far off as well.

 P.S. I meant, which of those three new rubbers throws highest?

I know Baracuda and Hexer, they were just a bit too bouncy and uncontrolled for me when I tried them :)

vvk1 wrote: From personal experience, there is nothing one can do with P7 that is not doable with Tibhar 5Q+ - which high throw, very spinny and not that bouncy.

Edited by NextLevel - 08/03/2015 at 11:43am

vvk1 wrote: From personal experience, there is nothing one can do with P7 that is not doable with Tibhar 5Q+ - which is high throw, very spinny and not that bouncy.

+1 .I use the 5Q+ ( I'm assuming that the '+' refers to the update version). And i completely agree.

slevin wrote: yogi_bear wrote: Tibhar fx-p could be an alternative to P7 Aren't they at hardness levels that are on the opposite ends of the spectrum (40 deg vs 47.5 deg)?

They both have soft feels on impact. No way one of them feels like a 40 degrees rubber.

On the other hand, 5q+ has a different feel and it is also harder than p7. I am actually suggesting more on the feel.

(In my humble opinion) P7 also feels pretty soft on impact, much softer then its sponge hardness suggests, that is why it is so unique, I guess.

I tried all of the Evolution series, MX-P, EL-P and FX-P, and they all were significantly bouncier (on my blades at least) then P7. My playing game is 90% looping, most of it slow, hitting only really high balls, and 5Q could really be better solution.

Though, I think Tibhar now sells only 5Q+ if I am right...
 

nv42 wrote: Not sure whetehr tibhar only sells the 5Q+, but I don't see a reason why someone wouldn't want a 'little' bit of added liveliness, speed and spin than the original 5Q without affecting control a bit

Because it sounds too good to be true :D But if the control is really the same or better, there is no reason to look back ;)