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yesterday I played just one hour because I was a little bit sick

Tomorrow I will test it with elp on bh
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Gawd you guys make me want to get a Violin. When will the EJ bug get smashed. Life is hard sometimes.
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Originally posted by peter79 peter79 wrote:

I suggest you to choose heavy Violin Large handle from Tabletennis11.com
I got 2 heaviest, 93.5 and 93 gr. Total setup is 186 gr with side tape.
I glue 8 layers of Latex water base glue on H3 National blue sponge 2.2 mm untuned.
And I put 4 layers of Latex water base glue on Tenergy 64 2.1 mm

The blue sponge that I got is less tacky, it's very good even untuned.
This blade has all of the control that I need, it's my main weapon right now.

I use Violin at competition today, I win 3-2 from 0-2 down, against Short pips on Backhand guy.
Tomorrow I will face a Cpen short pips with inverted rubber on backhand. I hope I would advance to later stages of the competition Big smile
 
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I decide to play also today

This time with elp on bh

I have the same impression like yestarday

Today I played agaist defensive player and I can also say that violin has lower trampoline effect but more controll in comparison with acoustic

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Great to read your experiences with the Violin and Acoustic.

I've been testing with a Barwell Fleet paired with Vega Japan and Bluefire JP03.
It's a bit on the fast side and it's a little harder to control / generate spin.

So I got a Violin from TT11 as well so hoping that will play better and provide more dwell time.
I'm going to glue the Vega Japan and Bluefire JP03 on to the Violin to directly compare against Barwell Fleet.

Having said that I would also like to glue MX-P onto it as well as I have been using that rubber on my FH on my Darker Speed 90
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today had a real good training, I was fit and played very good and intensive for two hours

Now I can give you my definitive impressions regarding the differences between acoustic and violin

Violin is harder, much slower, generate more spin, gives much more controll and has much lower trampoline effect

I suggest to use it with fast soft rubber with high trampoline effect

For this reason I decide to sell both violins I bought


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Originally posted by carmelomaf carmelomaf wrote:

today had a real good training, I was fit and played very good and intensive for two hours

Now I can give you my definitive impressions regarding the differences between acoustic and violin

Violin is harder, much slower, generate more spin, gives much more controll and has much lower trampoline effect

I suggest to use it with fast soft rubber with high trampoline effect

For this reason I decide to sell both violins I bought




So you perfer the Acoustic over the Violin?
hmmm I'm wondering if the Violin would be too slow for me..
I was also debating between the Violin or Acoustic now perhaps I should have got a Acoustic instead...


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Nittaku classifies both Violin and Acoustic as Offensive, but this says little about their intrinsic speed. I'd define Violin as ALL+ and Acoustic as OFF-.

This is also in line with igsstern's objective measurements and the chart from the Nittaku 2011 catalog (right click to view the chart in its full size or save it):


In an earlier Nittaku catalog Violin was classifed as about the same speed as Acoustic, but the composition of Acoustic has change since, and I suppose that Nittaku changed their mind about the speed of Violin:

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Originally posted by arg0 arg0 wrote:

Nittaku classifies both Violin and Acoustic as Offensive, but this says little about their intrinsic speed. I'd define Violin as ALL+ and Acoustic as OFF-.

This is also in line with igsstern's objective measurements and the chart from the Nittaku 2011 catalog (right click to view the chart in its full size or save it):


In an earlier Nittaku catalog Violin was classifed as about the same speed as Acoustic, but the composition of Acoustic has change since, and I suppose that Nittaku changed their mind about the speed of Violin:



Thanks for the info argo0 perhaps I should have got an Acoustic rather then a Violin but I'll definitely give it a try to compare first. I know there will be a large speed drop coming from a Darker Speed 90 blade
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I don't know what blade a "Favourite Pro Cougar" is, but both Acoustic and Violins are completely different beasts than 1-ply Hinokis. Makes me wonder why you want to make such a big change. Just for the sake of trying or are you looking for some specific feature?
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My reason why I wanted to go a thinner blade is so that hopefully I will gain more manouverability for over the table shots e.g BH Banana flick and Forehand Flicking

The thicker blade of the single ply blade and also the weight I find is limiting my options for over the table shots.

What is your experience with the Violin as compared to the single ply blade you have (I'm assuming you have used single ply blades previously since you are in the 1-ply clan)

Thanks in advance for your assistance Argo

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Not sure whether I can successfully compare Violin to the 1-ply blades I played with, the reason being that I kept them for my collection after having realised that I don't play particularly well with them.

I have played a bit with Nittaku Miyabi, but I immediately realised that the blade was too thick for me and that I was hitting the ball with the edges almost each time I wanted to do a sharp push or brush-loop. From what I can recall, the Miyabi felt softer and was bouncier and much faster than Violin.

The other 1-ply blades that I played a bit with, and that I still plan to test more extensively, is American Hinoki Ancient Kauri (AK), which is made of very dense wood. I have two, they are about 6 and 6.5 mm. From what I recall, the AK feels hard, quite flexible and not very bouncy, so to some extent similar to Violin. Feeling is different, though. Speed-wise, it it about on par with Violin, too.
[OT: See here for a good review of the AK, and here for a thread in this forum].


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I got my Violin wooho weighing in at 85gm and I've got Tibhar EVO MX-P Max on my FH and Nittaku G1 1.8mm on my BH. Total weight is 184gm

I hope I'll be able to put it through it's paces tomorow or sometime this week.

Hopefully it'll give me some much needed control
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Congrats. Looking forward to reading your impressions.
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Thanks Arg0

I had a brief 15 min hit with it forehand looping and driving is alot more consistent compared to my Darker Speed 90 with the same MX-P rubber on and is definitely alot more consistent compaerd with my Barwell Fleet and Vega Japan rubber.

G1 on the Backhand seemed quite zippy with a fair amount of spin on it too.

I need to play games and see how it performs in comps.

Will let you know how I go.
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The acoustic is definitely a touch faster than the violin, they are both incredibly well rounded blades with great feeling though. These two blades are a very good composite and well produced!
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Thanks for posting the 85gm Violin down to Sydney Australia TableTennis 11 :)

The larger handle is awesome I wish all of the Nittaku blades have a larger handle as well.
 
I was endlessly debating over a Violin or an Acoustic.
I still think that I should have gotten a Acoustic (if you had a discount I would have)
But I thought I'll go with the ALL / OFF - blade and pair it up with faster rubbers such as the MX-P




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Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

The acoustic is definitely a touch faster than the violin, they are both incredibly well rounded blades with great feeling though. These two blades are a very good composite and well produced!


I am playing with violin very nice feeling indeed and I believe it is allwood 5 ply, why did you say it is composite?


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Check out some of the blades available in the Asian market.
 
Some really nice blades and decent prices. 1 dollar is roughly 1000 Korean won, but rate changes all the time.
 
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Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

The acoustic is definitely a touch faster than the violin, they are both incredibly well rounded blades with great feeling though. These two blades are a very good composite and well produced!


I am playing with violin very nice feeling indeed and I believe it is allwood 5 ply, why did you say it is composite?

Hmmmm....  That chart of Nittaku blades in the previous post seems to jive with what you are saying.  But, the chart seems to be way different than what Paddle Palace rates these Nittaku blades for speed.  For instance, PP lists the Violin being faster than the Acoustic.  I'm currently playing with a Nittaku Razor, which is listed as ALL, but PP shows the Rising blade as being ALL+ and the chart shows quite the opposite with the Rising being very slow.  What the heck?
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Originally posted by geardaddy geardaddy wrote:

Originally posted by adishorul adishorul wrote:

Originally posted by tabletennis11 tabletennis11 wrote:

The acoustic is definitely a touch faster than the violin, they are both incredibly well rounded blades with great feeling though. These two blades are a very good composite and well produced!


I am playing with violin very nice feeling indeed and I believe it is allwood 5 ply, why did you say it is composite?



Hmmmm....  That chart of Nittaku blades in the previous post seems to jive with what you are saying.  But, the chart seems to be way different than what Paddle Palace rates these Nittaku blades for speed.  For instance, PP lists the Violin being faster than the Acoustic.  I'm currently playing with a Nittaku Razor, which is listed as ALL, but PP shows the Rising blade as being ALL+ and the chart shows quite the opposite with the Rising being very slow.  What the heck?


+2, blade charts from any manufacturer are just an estimation. BTY chart looks like a Looney Tune cartoon. The best evaluators are the players not some funny looking hard to read chart. Example BTY has Primorac rated slow-medium for speed rated even slower than TB ALL+, Primorac is OFF-.

I would love to see a more scientific approach to blade data and also what style would benefit using a certain blade.

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I've only had a few sessions with the Violin and haven't had the chance to really put it through it's paces.
But I did sneak in a quick service practise session and I really like it for service.
I was able to server spinny double and triple bounce serves which was harder to do with my Nittaku Barwell Fleet and Darker Speed 90.
I found I had to put a little more effort in long fast ball serves especially end to end fast dead balls.

I think I'm going to stick with the violin for now and really work to getting ot know it better.

I'm lacking match fitness and everything that goes with it.
But hoping to get some training in before the coming summer season of comp.
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Originally posted by geardaddy geardaddy wrote:

Hmmmm....  That chart of Nittaku blades in the previous post seems to jive with what you are saying.  But, the chart seems to be way different than what Paddle Palace rates these Nittaku blades for speed. For instance, PP lists the Violin being faster than the Acoustic.  I'm currently playing with a Nittaku Razor, which is listed as ALL, but PP shows the Rising blade as being ALL+ and the chart shows quite the opposite with the Rising being very slow.  What the heck?

If you were referring to "the" chart in my post, there are two charts in that post, and they tell different stories about Violin and Acoustic. The newer chart is on top and reflects my playing impressions, at least as Violin and Acoustic go: Acoustic is a bit faster than Violin.
Blade category (DEF/ALL/OFF) given by manufacturers should not be taken simply as a measure of speed, but as an indication of playing style they are suitable for, which also takes into account blade size, weight, handle shape, flexibility, etc.

Edit: typo


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Hello.  

This looks like a very old post, so i hope i get some replies.

I have a brand new sheet of Evolution MXP 50 max, and a sheet of Grass d.tecs OX that i need to decide which blade to put these on.   I am spoiled for choice, and value input from people who have tried this.
I am new to long pips and current use MXP 1.9 both on both sides of an Acoustic Carbon inner ST LG handle.

Tenor  ST
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I plan on twiddling so a ST handle might be better.   The handle on the tenor seems a bit larger than Violin or Violoncello, so it might fit better.  

Leaning towards Tenor or Violin, but maybe Violoncello or Hypertech.  What would be better for close to the table,  backhand block, push and chop block, with twiddling and hitting / looping on the forehand side, twiddling for backhand, and MXP on forehand only.

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I'm not a long pips player, but I wonder whether there is any reason you did not include Violin Carbon in your selection. Violin is generally very good for chop/block/and close-to-the-table play. Better than Acoustic and Tenor (at least for me, I've tried them all).
Besides, in case you are interested, I have a Violin Carbon ST with large handle for sale. Like new, only shortly tested: I've decided to stay with all wood blades.
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