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    Posted: 10/21/2010 at 2:14am
Hi after years off I have purchased a table and am looking to get a nice bat/rubber.  I have been reading the forums which have been helpful and I have narrowed my search but need some help.
I always liked butterfly equipment and am keen to stick to this brand.  I am wanting a nice all purpose beginner setup.

I like the look of the Primorac off- blade and am trying to decide between Flextra and Sriver. I prefer a bit more spin than speed so am leaning towards Flextra.  I am not sure what rubber thickness I should be looking at.

I would appreciate your thoughts on these possible combinations. Thanks
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I'll let more experienced people handle this, but I would stay away from Flextra. That stuff feels cheap, and it certainly isn't worth what it costs. Sriver is much more respectable.

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Beginner = Sriver or Vari Spin. No doubt.

I switched from using Tenergy 64 and Andro Impuls Speed back to good old Sriver. Just because its so all round and has so much control. U can get enough spin with it ;)
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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Beginner = Sriver or Vari Spin. No doubt.

I switched from using Tenergy 64 and Andro Impuls Speed back to good old Sriver. Just because its so all round and has so much control. U can get enough spin with it ;)
 
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I believe in flextra more than in sriver, although I never played with it, but it could have something similar with butterfly D13 which was recommended for learning. D13 was nicer ruber than sriver for learning purpose. it also had different speed/spin ratio with less speed yet with same spin as sriver
 
and flextra is cheaper as well, isn't it?
 
unglued sriver is not the best rubber for close to the table play


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Flextra is a rubber glued on a lot of premade butterfly blades. Carlos Chui for example, or Brian Pace (although I don't remember for sure about Brian Pace blade), all use Flextra, which out of the box comes in 2.1 thickness. Also Senshu and other blades have Flextra on it.

Its not a bad rubber, you can do lots of things with it, but what I didn't like about it - its too bouncy for entry level. Also it is not very durable. I recall the premade blades always tearing piece by piece from edges.

Sriver is considered to be a better standard. Plus there are many versions of Sriver to suit any game. Regular Sriver, El, Fx, etc.


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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Beginner = Sriver or Vari Spin. No doubt.

I switched from using Tenergy 64 and Andro Impuls Speed back to good old Sriver. Just because its so all round and has so much control. U can get enough spin with it ;)
 
no doubt for you Big smile
 
I believe in flextra more than in sriver, although I never played with it, but it could have something similar with butterfly D13 which was recommended for learning. D13 was nicer ruber than sriver for learning purpose. it also had different speed/spin ratio with less speed yet with same spin as sriver
 
and flextra is cheaper as well, isn't it?
 
unglued sriver is not the best rubber for close to the table play
Let me get this right.

Ur saying Flextra is more like D13, slower then Sriver. But then u say an unglued Sriver is not good for close to table play, because it would be to slow?

Shouldn't he be avoiding Flextra at all cost then, since its even slower??

Sriver is a good allround rubber, even without glueing, get Sriver FX or Sriver EL is still my advice.
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Go with Sriver. This rubber is a true classic.
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Actually more people prefered mak V than Sriver, becoz of the price also.

While I prefered Sriver than Flextra Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by Thomasson Thomasson wrote:

Let me get this right.

Ur saying Flextra is more like D13, slower then Sriver. But then u say an unglued Sriver is not good for close to table play, because it would be to slow?

Shouldn't he be avoiding Flextra at all cost then, since its even slower??

Sriver is a good allround rubber, even without glueing, get Sriver FX or Sriver EL is still my advice.
 
not exactly. I suppose flextra might be similar to D13. but the problems why sriver is not best for close to the table play are: 1. not good spin to speed ratio; 2. too low throw (not enough strong arc which is better for close to table play). also, sriver is good for everything but not the best for looping, as it is more difficult to loop and to lift backspin than with some other rubbers. and I believe that flextra is better in aspects I've mentioned (I am not sure about the throw angle)
 
slowness is not bad for learning, it demands to learn technique properly rather than reliing on speed. speed is added once technique is mastered. only aspect which could really be discussed is that more demanding to use rubber might be better for learning just because it doesn't forgive technical errors, so flawless technique must be adopted. I admit this is strong argument. but I don't see rubber with stronger arcing ability as drawback to learning right technique, to me it is a good way to learn technique of playing close to the table


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Defining slow is something he should do himself.

All im saying is Sriver is one of the best if not the best rubbers to learn the game with.
I can give any youngster im training an all+ frame with sriver and make him learn the correct strokes, without them relieing on the "speed" of sriver. If I would give them something slower then Sriver, like Flextra, its pretty hard for them to learn a fast spin. Most beginners are to young to make a full powered shot. I can make them loop with it yes, but it would be simply to slow for killer balls. Why am I still advising Sriver to this guy then, since he should be able to make a full powered shot? He said an ALL-PURPOSE. Sriver is more allround then Flextra and Flextra is simply to slow if you step back from the table. Also moving from Sriver to newer generation rubbers, which he might eventually. Will be a much smaller step, mainly because it has a higher throw and speed then Flextra.
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P.S. I would advise a sponge thickness of 1.7 or 1.9 at most!
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Currently I don't endorse BTY products due to price hikes but I must give my observations between Flextra and Sriver. For a safer game with a bit more spin go with Flextra 1.9. It is nice for pushing, chopping, control with the occassional zinger. Sriver offers more "gears' is faster and with 1.7mm thickness would be perfect for you. If you perform looping shots Sriver is better. Flextra blocks very well and is excellent for service and service return. Good luck on your choice as they would both work well for you.
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I used to play with a Primorac off- with 2 Sriver FX MAX after I changed from my premade bat. Amazing setup, that's why I reccomend it a lot. Lots of control, good spin and speed. What's even more, you get used to the ''touch'' of professional setups from the very begining. That's very important, in my opinion. At least, it helped me a lot.
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One deciding factor is how serious you are going to play.  If you are going to have a coach or have played in a club setting before, and/or are trying to improve then Sriver, 1.9 mm.

If you are just playing for fun at home with friends, choose the Flextra in 1.9 mm, or the Sriver in 1.7 mm.   
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Thanks for all your replies it is always interesting to get peoples point of views.  At the moment Sriver 1.7 seems to be winning the battle to go with the Primorac blade and from reading it seems that that sriver may be a more hard wearing rubber which would be good as I would want to get a bit of use out of it.  Whenever I have played (more at school age years ago) I used a premade setup so I am sure anything would feel like a huge improvement.  Thanks again for all the feedback.  I will keep the post open in case anyone else puts in their thoughts.
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sriver for fh, flextra for bh.
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Can anyone shed some light on how Palio CJ8000 Two-Wing Looper in 2.2mm for both FH and BH on the Primorac Off- will perform in general and for looping when compared to Donic Desto F3 for both FH and BH on the Viscaria FL or Donic Persson Powerplay Senso V1 ST? Thanks.
 
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Sriver FX with thickness no more than 2.1 for more spin and control Wink
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As a forehand rubber, I'd argue that Flextra may not be the best choice. I'd get something like a Chinese rubber since I've had a great experience with them and they are almost totally unmatched in the spin department. They also tend to be quite cheap.

As a backhand rubber, I think Flextra (for me in max thickness since I favor spin and power) would do just fine. It's not so fast that you loose technique, but it's not so slow that you can't get any good shots out of it. It's great for a controlled game on that wing.

I have no experience with Sriver and Flextra is a lot cheaper.
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sriver fx goes well on this blade ,i tried 1.9 on f/h and it looped and pushed really well,i would imagine that el could be even better
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If you insist on price garunteed rubbers by all means go with Sriver.  If you want a nice bargain that is very similar to Sriver only a tad more adaptable to the 40 mm ball, go with either Andro Impuls Speed, or Andro Revofire.  The Revofire performs a great deal like a Sriver with an ESN sponge under it. 
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I bought a primorac 2000 and a septear with flextra 1.9 for my sons.  (Senkoh 85 with sriver L/EL 1.9 was way too fast!)   For the BH, the flextra is a great rubber.  Frogger has summed it up nicely.  I find it better for serves as compared to the sriver.  My sons love it for the BH. 
 
For the FH, it was terrible esp for driving or smashing. (Compared to the senkoh or HH656/H3) The ball would seem to go all over the place.   I thought the blades were too fast so I eventually bought a Donic Applegren V1 with Nittaku arufeel  - a great combination.  I now suspect that the inconsistencies are most likely due the the extra soft rubber.  When driving, the ball would sink into the blade and the limba ply seem to 'bite' the ball for a split second before releasing it.  The ball would then fly either a little long or short.  To land the ball consistently, I had to add topspin to it.  In retrospect, I now realise why my son was trying to flick his wrist when hitting (and looking funny doing that).
 
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If you like a bit more spin you could go with Sriver EL or Sriver FX. However normal Sriver can still produce generous amounts of spin. I have owned both of these rubbers and Sriver is much better than Flextra. 
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Sriver FX.

But get the Grubba (not the Pro, too slow or the Carbon, too fast) instead of the Primorac.

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Couldn't agree more.

I started with a premade Carlos Chui with flextra and I loved it! But as I graduated from it to Primorac with Sriver I can say firsthand that it lasts wayyyy longer than flextra. I would get Sriver 2.1 maybe on FH and BH to start? 
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This thread is ancient. Circa 2010. ????



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