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Topic: how long before division 1 player
Posted By: hammondpro
Subject: how long before division 1 player
Date Posted: 12/04/2016 at 9:43am
Hi how long does it take to become divison 1 player? I m 52 and have been playing for 2 years now seriously about 7 months. I m fully committed and play 5 times per week about 2 to 3 hours each time. Any advice more than well.



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Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 12/04/2016 at 10:35am
This is an open ended question with too many unknowns... It takes ~3-5 years for young kids to reach a good competitive level. On the other hand many adults play for years and gain rating points very very slowly. IMHO it s not about how often or how long you ve been playing... you have to master the basics, then you have a chance to reach very high levels. 


Posted By: hammondpro
Date Posted: 12/04/2016 at 2:53pm
Hi many thanks for reply. I have grasped the basics very quickly it s just footwork at the moment which is hindering progress. Due a new knee next year so hopefully I will be able to move much quicker. Plus also when playing opponents I need to read more on what the opponent is trying to do to mess up my game as opposed to what I am trying to do. But this obviously comes more with experience. I ll stick with it and hopefully in 5 to 6 years be in division 1.   You never know.


Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 12/04/2016 at 11:39pm
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Posted By: hammondpro
Date Posted: 12/05/2016 at 6:39am
Yeah just realised new to forum obviously pushed wrong section ha.


Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/05/2016 at 8:42pm
No problem, I just moved it to general topics.

A couple of things in general.  Have realistic expectations.  Get some coaching, ideally with someone experienced with adults (if possible, the one guy I know in UK who would be perfect is pretty far from where you are).  Make sure your practices are disciplined.  Make sure to practice the parts of the game that are not as fun.

How long will it take?  Impossible to say.  Maybe never (injuries can derail you or maybe you lose interest, and 52 is a bit late to start).  And then again, maybe sooner than you think.  Like somebody else said, lots of variables we don t know, like your fitness level, your mobility, your susceptibility to injury, your previous history in sports, the level of competition in your area, etc. etc.


Posted By: pgpg
Date Posted: 12/05/2016 at 8:58pm
Originally posted by hammondpro hammondpro wrote:

Hi many thanks for reply. I have grasped the basics very quickly it s just footwork at the moment which is hindering progress. Due a new knee next year so hopefully I will be able to move much quicker. Plus also when playing opponents I need to read more on what the opponent is trying to do to mess up my game as opposed to what I am trying to do. But this obviously comes more with experience. I ll stick with it and hopefully in 5 to 6 years be in division 1.   You never know.

If footwork is your only problem, you are quite lucky Wink. Seriously though - it s really hard question to answer, especially for us folks outside of UK. 

Assuming that magical 2000 USATT is roughly equivalent to Div 1 in UK (is it?): 

* What level are you now?
* What s your play style?
* Do you have access to coaching?
* Do you get a chance to play Div 1 players on a regular basis?
* How much progress have you made so far?
* etc.

As a reference, I am about your age now and got back into TT ~3.5 years ago (played in high school/college as a hobby on a semi-serious basis without coaching ~30 years ago). Got to ~1750 USATT in 2.5 years, but last year was more or less flat (even though I feel I ve improved). It does get harder as you progress...  



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Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 12/05/2016 at 9:46pm

If Div 1 is USATT 2000, you probably can do it.

Go to North Little Rock Table Tennis Group Timeline page on FaceBook. It will explain the fastest way to do it.

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Posted By: jfolsen
Date Posted: 12/05/2016 at 11:05pm
No idea what the USA rating equivalence of Division 1 is.

But, I can tell you what is and isn t important. I would say age is not really a factor, I was older than you when I finally got to 2000. Also, I m a big guy, not particularly nimble.

Practice. Practice, practice, practice. Deliberate practice, working on weaknesses, turning strengths into weapons. You can go to the club 7 days a week, play matches against people worse and better than you, it won t change your level very much. It took me about 3 years, with 2 hours a week of drills with coaching, one more session a week where I would implement my improving skills on my own, and one where I just played matches for fun to go from a run of the mill club player to 2000. It s more about finding the time and dedicating yourself to the goal.

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Posted By: Johnny.d.p
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 4:20am
Like as notfound123 suggested, it s quality over quantity. It s not about how often you train but it s how you train. If you re not looking at all technical aspects of the game and you go to just hit a ball around, it s not as effective and a structured training regime which involves athletic strength and conditioning combined with practical table tennis drills. 

All in all it comes down to how determined you are to find a playing style that you can exploit and improve with. It helps to be versatile and learn how to do as many things as you can but I don t think it s a good idea to try to learn everything if you haven t gotten the core fundamentals mastered to the point that you could do your own thing with it instead of only being able to use it in training.

In the most basic of ways: MASTER and become a specialist in every core fundamental movement and combine it with supplemental training and drills before considering doing fancy things in my opinion. Each to their own everyone has their own way to do things but I think it s a good idea to invest in solid foundation even if you think you re already doing it right because virtually no one is 100% perfect.

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Posted By: notgooord
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 5:39am
What s total nbr of plyrs and what nr in that total is div1?


Posted By: vvk1
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 6:48am
In UK, div 1 could mean different things. It could be division 1 in the senior british league or in the veterans british league or in his local league in Kent.  Also div 1 is the second highest division (below premier) in SBL and VBL, and in local leagues it could be the highest or the second highest division.


Assuming the OP meant a local league, then only someone who knows the OP personally and plays in that league s premier or 1st div can answer the question. 


Posted By: passifid
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 6:50am
i would have to say this is a bad question, if its UK you need to state the league, i ve played and done quite badly in brighton and eastbourne leauges, i played two years brighton and this year eastbourne. 

In brighton i played Div2 (seniors, Div1, DIv2) and bieng quite a bad player, but now im getting similar(just a little lower avgs) in Div 2 eastbourne (Div1/Div2....Div6) and would day DIV1 ebn is similar to div 1 brighton but not near the Brighton seniors, and there must be much worse and much better leauges avalible. 


Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 8:43am
Tricky question.. Local leagues differ quite a bit in standard by area and league so if you could let us know the area you play in then some of the UK guys can hopefully point you in the right direction.

If it is British League etc then you will have tons of work to do to play at that level. There s only the Premier and Championship Divsions above  that and both are very very strong.






Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 2:45pm
Pretty much the same response as the others, Senior British League Div 1 will take a long time and a lot of hard work to reach, and may not even be achievable if you reach a physical plateau. 

Otherwise local league varies depending on which league you are playing in. Some leagues will be easier to play in, and others will be harder. 

The question is, do you want to simply play in Div 1, or do you want to be a successful player winning a certain % of matches in Div 1? It took me a long time to get from being a struggling player in the top league division to winning 90% or more matches in that same division.


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Posted By: assam
Date Posted: 12/06/2016 at 3:48pm
If it means top league, you ll never gonna reach it.
Just to old for that


Posted By: hammondpro
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 9:47am
Hi everyone wow this was a huge response. The league I play in is Division 3 in Kent. Yes there are some very good payers well probably 90% of them are.
I think from an age point of view Division 1 is possible its just time and practice and I have set myself a 7 year period to achieve this.

At present my knee is a big issue as it has hindered my fitness progress but I am due a new one in March next year. So fingers crossed this will allow me to undertake intensive fitness regimes to improve speed and agility which is a weak point for me at present.

My game is based of pure attack which is my comfort zone although I do have another 2 games which I will fall back on if the need be. Does not always work but I feel you need quite a variation in your tool box and as some have said you need to keep on practicing your backup games even if you get a bit bored with them.

I play 5 times a week. Ill breakdown how I utilise this time.
1 day coaching 2-3 hours
2nd day 2-3 hours just serving
3rd day 2-3 hours serve receive then incorporate looping drives flips chopping etc.
4th day singles matches 2 -3 hours practicing shots which need improving not bothered about winning the games.
5th 2-3 hours playing doubles.
This is mixed in with all different level players from premier to 3rd division so I get quite a variety of play plus I play in division 3 once a week.

My set us is a victas firefall fc blade and I love Chinese fh rubbers I find these suit my game perfectly and use jap rubber on the backhand. Tried Tenergy but just don t like them bit overrated if you ask me and price well rip off. I have played against players using these and I don t think it adds any miracle formula to their game. Now long pimples for me that s hard one to get my head around. Still working on that one but I do happen to have the opportunity to play a few people who use these. Medium short pimples don t bother me.

With regards ratings not sure how that works to be honest as I am still learning the ins and outs of the game.

With regards previous sports I have only ever competed in time trials in my younger days apart from that never played racket sports. Used to do a lot of circuit training weights running and swimming. So I suppose I now how to train and eat properly to get super fit which is an advantage.

Again thanks very much for your response and time.





Posted By: piligrim
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 10:21am
I am practicing 4 times a week. Playing in division 3 in local club. How long before I reach Chinese Super League?


Posted By: hammondpro
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 10:47am
Good question probably depends on your motivation and age. Rather high ambition. If young enough and get sponsered to train in china then sure you could do it.


Posted By: LUCKYLOOP
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 10:48am
Originally posted by piligrim piligrim wrote:

I am practicing 4 times a week. Playing in division 3 in local club. How long before I reach Chinese Super League?


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Posted By: hammondpro
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 10:53am
what you or me


Posted By: kakapo
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 11:57am
Originally posted by hammondpro hammondpro wrote:

Hi how long does it take to become divison 1 player? I m 52 and have been playing for 2 years now seriously about 7 months. I m fully committed and play 5 times per week about 2 to 3 hours each time. Any advice more than well.

I don t know for your country but if you were in Belgium....
-starting to play at 50 Y/O without I guess any background...(you were not a good player before);
-Playing for 2 years but "seriously" the last 7 months (5 times a week)

......well, first, take care of your body because at 52, you could push it too hard !
TT is a dangerous sport, especially regarding the heart problems.

Otherwise, I d say, if you are talented, 100% committed and lucky with the injuries, you could reach the first.....provincial in Belgium, which means the...5th division.
This is not an insult at all....this would already be a good achievement.




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Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 12:22pm
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Posted By: Baal
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 12:45pm
Originally posted by hammondpro hammondpro wrote:

Hi everyone wow this was a huge response. The league I play in is Division 3 in Kent. Yes there are some very good payers well probably 90% of them are.
I think from an age point of view Division 1 is possible its just time and practice and I have set myself a 7 year period to achieve this.

At present my knee is a big issue as it has hindered my fitness progress but I am due a new one in March next year. So fingers crossed this will allow me to undertake intensive fitness regimes to improve speed and agility which is a weak point for me at present.

My game is based of pure attack which is my comfort zone although I do have another 2 games which I will fall back on if the need be. Does not always work but I feel you need quite a variation in your tool box and as some have said you need to keep on practicing your backup games even if you get a bit bored with them.

I play 5 times a week. Ill breakdown how I utilise this time.
1 day coaching 2-3 hours
2nd day 2-3 hours just serving
3rd day 2-3 hours serve receive then incorporate looping drives flips chopping etc.
4th day singles matches 2 -3 hours practicing shots which need improving not bothered about winning the games.
5th 2-3 hours playing doubles.
This is mixed in with all different level players from premier to 3rd division so I get quite a variety of play plus I play in division 3 once a week.

My set us is a victas firefall fc blade and I love Chinese fh rubbers I find these suit my game perfectly and use jap rubber on the backhand. Tried Tenergy but just don t like them bit overrated if you ask me and price well rip off. I have played against players using these and I don t think it adds any miracle formula to their game. Now long pimples for me that s hard one to get my head around. Still working on that one but I do happen to have the opportunity to play a few people who use these. Medium short pimples don t bother me.

With regards ratings not sure how that works to be honest as I am still learning the ins and outs of the game.

With regards previous sports I have only ever competed in time trials in my younger days apart from that never played racket sports. Used to do a lot of circuit training weights running and swimming. So I suppose I now how to train and eat properly to get super fit which is an advantage.

Again thanks very much for your response and time.





You are about to get a new knee?!!  And you are an attacking player?  OK, revise your expectations.  Downward.  And be careful! 

I mean no disrepect, but you need to find realistic achievements you can be proud of. 

Trust me, I know very well about how age forces us to come face to face with reality.  At this point, personally, I am trying desperately to just maintain my level.  This means I have to improve some aspects of my game (like serve and return) because, like it or not, other aspects are certainly declining (balance, rapid depth perception, shear athleticism).  I am a bit older than you, but I played tournaments all through my junior years, did well in them, was well-coached then, and then like many people took a long layoff.  But I have been playing A LOT for most of the last 20 years and I have had access to good coaching when desired for a good part of those 20 years, and my technique is pretty smooth (because I learned as a kid).  I have had the advantage of never having had a severe injury that kept me out for very long (one back surgery, though, but recovered completely) and no other serious orthopedic issues (occasional Achilles soreness which I monitor carefully), certainly nothing remotely approaching needing a joint replacement surgery. 

And yet that is my reality.

You are still at a level where you can probably improve a lot of skills.   I have no idea what Division I means where you live, but know for sure, it is not just time and practice.  And you will find the better you get, the harder it is to get to the next level.  You will asymptotically approach a certain level.  And then it goes down from there. 

For everyone.


Posted By: smackman
Date Posted: 12/07/2016 at 8:37pm
Realy depends on how strong your club/local league is
a smaller town you could be local Champion or a stronger area you may be in the 4th division

 are you improving ie started playing 5th division and now near the top of 3rd division after 2 years, you now beat people you couldn t

 setting goals and have a positive aptitude and good training will get you far, bad knees, older age, high level opposition will be in your way

I set some goals last year of being a National Champion, getting Gold at NZ Veterans ,being in top 100 in Country  and other goals
 I did all these things last year now alas my goals were achieved now Iv e gone back to being social again


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Posted By: ghostzen
Date Posted: 12/08/2016 at 4:42am
Massive Kudos for having such a goal and looking to work hard to make it happen Smile !

Take it easy and once the knee is done take time to heal and get sorted out before going into training.

Can t wait to see how you get on.

Good luck with everything.


Posted By: Simon_plays
Date Posted: 12/08/2016 at 5:14am
Asking people who have been playing for a long time: Is table tennis one of those sports where some people just have a knack and progress extremely quickly whilst others seem to be stuck at a certain level for ever? 

I had this issue with skateboarding, saw lots of people pick up a board and you could clearly see that if they devoted themselves to it they could be really good within about a year whilst others (like myself) had to work really hard to even get to an average level and seemed to be stuck at that level for years. 


Posted By: notgooord
Date Posted: 12/08/2016 at 6:08am
Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Asking people who have been playing for a long time: Is table tennis one of those sports where some people just have a knack and progress extremely quickly whilst others seem to be stuck at a certain level for ever? 

I had this issue with skateboarding, saw lots of people pick up a board and you could clearly see that if they devoted themselves to it they could be really good within about a year whilst others (like myself) had to work really hard to even get to an average level and seemed to be stuck at that level for years. 


Age is very important.
I ve seen kids with not much talent make it to high levels because of the combination.
-young
-train a lot
-good environment with high level players


Posted By: BRS
Date Posted: 01/26/2024 at 7:58am
Originally posted by Simon_plays Simon_plays wrote:

Asking people who have been playing for a long time: Is table tennis one of those sports where some people just have a knack and progress extremely quickly whilst others seem to be stuck at a certain level for ever? 

I had this issue with skateboarding, saw lots of people pick up a board and you could clearly see that if they devoted themselves to it they could be really good within about a year whilst others (like myself) had to work really hard to even get to an average level and seemed to be stuck at that level for years. 

Yes.  TT absolutely is like that.



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