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Topic: Samson Dubina Trial Thread
Posted By: NextLevel
Subject: Samson Dubina Trial Thread
Date Posted: 01/23/2024 at 2:13pm
Bringing back one of the old and darker threads, so we can follow what happens at it evolves and discuss its implications for US Table Tennis and why Safesport is a good idea:

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Posted By: BeaverMD
Date Posted: 02/17/2024 at 6:18pm
Accuser and two witnesses just lawyered up.


Posted By: JediJesseS
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 8:38pm
Very wise move by the victim and her parents. More bad news for the defendant, this likely means they are prepared to pursue him in civil court as well.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/18/2024 at 10:35pm
JediJesseS, Please, edit your post to edit names out.

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Posted By: JediJesseS
Date Posted: 02/19/2024 at 2:00am
They are available now in the official court documentation. However, I will edit my previous post as you request.   


Posted By: dingyibvs
Date Posted: 02/19/2024 at 8:44pm
Hope this thread doesn't devolve into the stupidity of the previous one where people presumed guilt or innocence based on their views of religion.

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 02/19/2024 at 9:35pm
Originally posted by JediJesseS JediJesseS wrote:

Very wise move by the victim and her parents. More bad news for the defendant, this likely means they are prepared to pursue him in civil court as well.
alleged victim. We do not choose a side. We can only hope for a final decision that reflects reality as close as possible.

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 02/20/2024 at 3:30am
Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Hope this thread doesn't devolve into the stupidity of the previous one where people presumed guilt or innocence based on their views of religion.

Stupidity or reality?  Ultimately no one knows, you make your judgment based on things other than evidence when you don't have it and ideally the evidence when you do.


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Posted By: JediJesseS
Date Posted: 02/27/2024 at 8:51pm
A somewhat confusing update. A continuance of the trial was granted, which could mean any number of things, and the bond was also returned.

Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

Hope this thread doesn't devolve into the stupidity of the previous one where people presumed guilt or innocence based on their views of religion.


I will try and make another post to consolidate my reasoning in one place since the last thread was lost. But to just say for now, it isn't stupidity to note a connection between intense sexual repression of the kind that Dubina's religion teaches and sexual crimes or obsessions. It's the same phenomenon where the loudest most aggressive detractors of homosexuality are often the same ones to be found the following evening in a hotel room with a young boy.

Repression and prohibition have a tendency to breed fascination and pleasure.


Posted By: notfound123
Date Posted: 02/28/2024 at 10:25am
Can someone who understands the court system shed some light on the following? The victim's parents are listed as her witnesses. This doesn't make any sense. Does this mean they saw the alleged incident firsthand?

edit (per ChatGPT): it's important to note that being listed as witnesses doesn't necessarily imply direct observation. Witnesses can provide information or testimony based on what they know, have been told, or observed indirectly. 


Posted By: Dan
Date Posted: 05/06/2024 at 11:30am
It seems at least one hearing has happened. Does anyone have an update on what went down?


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 10:49am
Seems like something has happened since we last discussed this but I am not able to make sense of the critics who are now posting at TTD discussing this because the are pushing their agendas rather than explaining what happened clearly.  Anyone have an update?  It seems there is now a conviction on something but not entirely clear what. 

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Posted By: Hondo
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 10:52am
Yes, I have an update.  Samson pled gulty to an assault charge on 6/27/24.  It is all done.  
Here is where I found the information.  You just have to search Dubina.
https://caselook.barbertonclerkofcourt.com/record/7721/f198625r5lg344336h4424o5ixu3v70u4pcg1360j63y3dojme34wejfw96pv1s1" rel="nofollow - https://caselook.barbertonclerkofcourt.com/record/7721/f198625r5lg344336h4424o5ixu3v70u4pcg1360j63y3dojme34wejfw96pv1s1


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 10:56am
So the question of what happened and why he pled guilty to a first degree misdemeanor when charged with a third degree misdemeanor is still not known?

What are the details of the assault charge he plead guilty to?


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Posted By: Hondo
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 11:03am
The docket shows a first degree misdemeaner assault charge.  It also shows DO NOT DISCUSS OR POST, so unless he talks, we will probably never know any of the whys.  


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 11:06am
Exactly.  So it is hard to know whether this should ever have been a sexual issue in the first place.  Maybe he was guilty of something that showed bad judgment but sexual stuff is more compelling.  He could simply have pushed someone and gotten charged. 

https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child" rel="nofollow - https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child .


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Posted By: TopLoop
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 11:29am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

So the question of what happened and why he pled guilty to a first degree misdemeanor when charged with a third degree misdemeanor is still not known?

What are the details of the assault charge he plead guilty to?

I do not know the parties in this case & I am not commenting on the innocence or guilt of the defendant as I do not know. All the details. Even if I did it is sort of none of my business.
That said, in this situation, one would tend to think that one would plead guilty  to a seemingly higher charge of assault instead of lower charge of sexual assault may be because of as follows :- In some jurisdictions, if you are convicted of a sex related crime you will be put on sex offender registry  which I think Is for life. 
Pleading to just an assault may end the whole thing after 60 days or so period.  Smart lawyer I would say. You would also come off as a tough guy at the end if you are convicted of assault LOL.

I know two recent  cases where the defendants (both quite wealthy “somehow”)  could not be criminally prosecuted because statute of limitations has expired.  One was already convicted in lower civil court (twice actually for same exact case & they say a third is possible..........talk about triple jeopardy  LOL...I know (or think)........the concept of jeopardy applies only to criminal cases...I am joking....just sounded fun to say it) and faces a hefty fine if it stands on appeal And the other (in your 'hood actually)  I heard faces an even higher civil penalty or settlement



Posted By: talltimber
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 12:21pm
180 days with 120 suspended = 60 days in jail. 


Posted By: tislife
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 12:48pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Exactly.  So it is hard to know whether this should ever have been a sexual issue in the first place.  Maybe he was guilty of something that showed bad judgment but sexual stuff is more compelling.  He could simply have pushed someone and gotten charged. 

https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child" rel="nofollow - https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child .

Looks like a sexual assault case with a good job by defense.

    • DEFENDANT IN SUMMIT COUNTY JAIL
    • 3/1/23 SAMSON DUBINA, DID, ENGAGE IN SEXUAL CONDUCT WITH
    • JUVENILE FEMALE (DOB 2/12/2006), BY TOUCHING HER BREASTS,
    • NOT THE SPOUSE OF THE SAID SAMSON DUBINA, THE SAID SAMSON
    • DUBINA HAVING KNOWLEDGE THAT JUVENILE FEMALE SUBMITTED


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by tislife tislife wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Exactly.  So it is hard to know whether this should ever have been a sexual issue in the first place.  Maybe he was guilty of something that showed bad judgment but sexual stuff is more compelling.  He could simply have pushed someone and gotten charged. 

https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child" rel="nofollow - https://www.gafirm.com/legal-blog/what-are-the-penalties-for-assault-battery-in-oh/#:~:text=Simple%20assault%2C%20oftentimes%20plainly%20referred,person%20or%20their%20unborn%20child .

Looks like a sexual assault case with a good job by defense.

    • DEFENDANT IN SUMMIT COUNTY JAIL
    • 3/1/23 SAMSON DUBINA, DID, ENGAGE IN SEXUAL CONDUCT WITH
    • JUVENILE FEMALE (DOB 2/12/2006), BY TOUCHING HER BREASTS,
    • NOT THE SPOUSE OF THE SAID SAMSON DUBINA, THE SAID SAMSON
    • DUBINA HAVING KNOWLEDGE THAT JUVENILE FEMALE SUBMITTED

...or he pushed her in an angry moment and his hand touched her breast in the process. That would not be sexual conduct. Anyway, we just don't know.



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Posted By: Facts
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 5:23pm
Police report posted recently in the other forum. 

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/samson-dubina-sexual-assault-case.34362/page-


Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 7:12pm
Originally posted by Facts Facts wrote:

Police report posted recently in the other forum. 

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/samson-dubina-sexual-assault-case.34362/page-

If this is legitimate and can be ratified, it is pretty damning.  The number of accounts posting from Ohio with new usernames on both forums is interesting.  


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Posted By: JediJesseS
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 10:52pm
"The Summit County Sheriff’s Office announced Monday that Samson D. Dubina, 40, was arrested Friday. The office said detectives were "made aware of concerns of inappropriate relations between" Dubina and a student at his business. Court records say the date of the alleged offense was March 1."

Not a push. There are people here that are laughable in their defense of Samson. He was arrested for a sexual crime. In the end, he avoided the legal stigma of a sex offender, in exchange for her avoiding the additional stress and renewed trauma of a public trial.

Two months in jail. 5 years of probation. For his conduct with a student...a child...who trusted him. And he used that trust for his own ends. Where are all those who said "let the outcome of the trial decide"? You have your outcome, unavoidable now. No more excuses, no more maybe this, maybe that. Guilty.     


Posted By: larrytt
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 10:54pm
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Facts Facts wrote:

Police report posted recently in the other forum. 

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/samson-dubina-sexual-assault-case.34362/page-
If this is legitimate and can be ratified, it is pretty damning.  The number of accounts posting from Ohio with new usernames on both forums is interesting.  

One thing that jumps out to me when I read this – wouldn’t an official police report have the word “allegedly” on it over and over? Instead it gives explicit statements, which makes me slightly skeptical that this is genuine. There’s also the problem that Samson apparently pled guilty to assault, and there’s nothing in this report that seems to have been assault, other than sexual assault, which I think is different. Would a judge allow that? I’m also surprised that an official report like this would have four typos, but maybe that’s just the editor/writer in me. Disclaimer – I’ve been friends with Samson for a couple of decades and have worked with him in a number of camps. I’m also not a lawyer, so those with more knowledge of the law feel free to comment on the above.
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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 11:14pm
Originally posted by larrytt larrytt wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by Facts Facts wrote:

Police report posted recently in the other forum. 

https://www.tabletennisdaily.com/forum/topics/samson-dubina-sexual-assault-case.34362/page-
If this is legitimate and can be ratified, it is pretty damning.  The number of accounts posting from Ohio with new usernames on both forums is interesting.  

One thing that jumps out to me when I read this – wouldn’t an official police report have the word “allegedly” on it over and over? Instead it gives explicit statements, which makes me slightly skeptical that this is genuine. There’s also the problem that Samson apparently pled guilty to assault, and there’s nothing in this report that seems to have been assault, other than sexual assault, which I think is different. Would a judge allow that? I’m also surprised that an official report like this would have four typos, but maybe that’s just the editor/writer in me. Disclaimer – I’ve been friends with Samson for a couple of decades and have worked with him in a number of camps. I’m also not a lawyer, so those with more knowledge of the law feel free to comment on the above.
-Larry Hodges

That's why I put the caveat about legitimacy.  All the typos and other limitations.  But a police report I don't believe has to use the word allegedly.  That is usually a news reporter thing.  Yes there are typos and other things and the report copy itself isn't well cared for.  And in this era of AI, it is hard to take anything at face value.

That said, there has been enough stuff here that didn't make sense all this time that I think Samson getting jail time for anything related to it was a compromise of some sort that establishes to me that the judge felt something was seriously wrong if they/he/she accepted this.  Samson also waived his right to a jury trial which to me is also pretty questionable from where I sit as a layman even if Judges do great work.  You can check the original post in this thread for the court decisions leading up to the 6/27 trial.

The final charge etc. would be part of a deal with the prosecution and there must have been some reason to accept it if Samson did.  And the idea of not being explicitly charged as a sex offender in exchange for mandatory jail time and the victim not testifying, which is the current popular hypothesis, makes sense to me.  What I was missing was the detail of the accusation in a way that made it clear it was predatory. 

In the absence of something that makes sense as a good story coming from a reputable source, I am unfortunately going to have to not give Samson the benefit on the doubt on this one.  But I am always open to anything.  But if this report is true, the violations of Safesport are extremely obvious.


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Posted By: Facts
Date Posted: 06/29/2024 at 11:52pm
If you'd like to verify the police report, you may contact the Summit County Sheriff Department. You pay $1.50 and they mail it to you. And yes, many police reports have typos. They are not English professors. 

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Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 06/30/2024 at 1:34am
WOW! That report seals the deal. Thank you, Facts.

That a deal was made so he does not have to register as a sex offender is troubling though. Even though his reputation is forever destroyed and that parents won't entrust their kids to him ever again, it's almost like he is getting away with a slap on the wrist. A bar fight would have gotten him about the same but here, children were victims, I am floored. Maybe the prosecution and the parents did not want to take the risk that a jury would find him not guilty while he chose to not put himself in a situation where it wouldn't.

I hope the family finds closure in the final decision.



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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/01/2024 at 4:45pm
The press reports not sparing any quarters...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/summit-county-coach-pleads-guilty-to-sex-crimes-against-a-female-teenager/ar-BB1pdhB7" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/summit-county-coach-pleads-guilty-to-sex-crimes-against-a-female-teenager/ar-BB1pdhB7


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Posted By: Eric Fountain
Date Posted: 07/02/2024 at 5:13pm
Many years ago I was confused how I got on some mailing list that Samson used to send out some bs about finding Jesus or whatever religious crap. Maybe someone can dredge one of those up and forward it back to him now.


Posted By: stiltt
Date Posted: 07/02/2024 at 7:52pm
Originally posted by Eric Fountain Eric Fountain wrote:

Many years ago I was confused how I got on some mailing list that Samson used to send out…
 It used to be a time when USATT didn’t mind sharing their email list. 

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Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 07/03/2024 at 8:15am
Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

The press reports not sparing any quarters...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/summit-county-coach-pleads-guilty-to-sex-crimes-against-a-female-teenager/ar-BB1pdhB7" rel="nofollow - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/summit-county-coach-pleads-guilty-to-sex-crimes-against-a-female-teenager/ar-BB1pdhB7

The article has been edited to reflect what Dubina actually plead guilty to and an editor's note is provided.


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Posted By: yogi_bear
Date Posted: 07/03/2024 at 10:38pm
will he be labelled as a sex offender?? 

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Posted By: Skynet
Date Posted: 07/04/2024 at 12:57am
Originally posted by yogi_bear yogi_bear wrote:

will he be labelled as a sex offender?? 


Technically not, meaning he won't be registred as one. But still, there is "too much" info out there what the trial was about, meaning: enough for parents to not send their kids to his academy, although the trial itself went on behind closed doors and Dubina is prohibited to talk about it (aside from not having contact with "certain people" and do some counselling sessions).
Because of all this he will probably have to shut down his academy and find a different job (that's my assumption).


Posted By: Topspin2023
Date Posted: 07/05/2024 at 9:06am
He already shut his academy down last year! 



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